New brand of Christianity!

[Evee]

There is a new brand of christianity

I have been listening and reading Christian replies on the message boards.

I have been reading the Bible on my own.

I have come to the conclusion that there is a new brand of christianity now.

It is take the bible and twist it anyway you feel necessary to fit your need at the time.

Believe what you want and forget the rest.

What worries me is are we decieving ourselves?

Try and please people first and throw God's name in there somewhere.

I have been guilty also.

I don't feel good about it either.



We are decieving ourselves and others when we do this.

We have become people pleasers and telling untruths.

Does anyone else get this feeling also or is it just me?

[Leo Volont]

Dear Evee,

Well, wasn't it the BattleCry of the Reformation that each person should have the right to their own consciences in the interpretation of the Scripture? When people fling around the expression "personal relationship with Christ", doesn't it substantially mean that everyone may 'personally' interpret scripture? There are over 3000 Protestant Sects. So, there is nothing new in what you have observed.

The Catholic Church does have a point, that it would be an admirable thing to impose the Truth upon the World. However, we know that Christ has told us that there would be Tares mixed in with the Wheat until the End of Time. We have been forewarned that Our Religion will have an admixture of False Doctrine. Christ warned us that there would be the Wide Way that would lead to Destruction, and the Narrow Way. So, while individual Catholics may doubt that The Church has complete possession of The Monolithic Truth, the Church, as an INSTITUTION couldn't possibly admit to such a thing, and is conscience bound, as an Institution, to require obedience. So there is quite a little dilemma there.

So. What are we to pay attention to? I would say the Holy Spirit -- but that is opening up oneself to delusions. Any madman can claim that! But we do have Divine Revelation. We have had repeated Apparitions of Our Lady the Blessed Virgin. She has presented something of a coherent Doctrine and Prophecy. She has backed it up with the most Spectacular Miracles in History. So we can believe that.

[Evee]

Really I am not Catholic so I never knew that.
Sounds interesting.
Yes it seems no two people interpet the scriptures the same.... who knows! :idea:

[saved]

Originally posted by Evee
There is a new brand of christianity

I have been listening and reading Christian replies on the message boards.

I have been reading the Bible on my own.

I have come to the conclusion that there is a new brand of christianity now.

It is take the bible and twist it anyway you feel necessary to fit your need at the time.

Believe what you want and forget the rest.

What worries me is are we decieving ourselves?

Try and please people first and throw God's name in there somewhere.

I have been guilty also.

I don't feel good about it either.



We are decieving ourselves and others when we do this.

We have become people pleasers and telling untruths.

Does anyone else get this feeling also or is it just me?

Evee
this is so true. The church today is mostly not biblical and when the truth is taught it is seldom accepted. People are turning to fables rather then seeking truth and when wise teaching and true godliness is taught it is seen as radical and strange.

[7thwatch]

Originally posted by Evee
There is a new brand of christianity

I have been listening and reading Christian replies on the message boards.

I have been reading the Bible on my own.

I have come to the conclusion that there is a new brand of christianity now.

It is take the bible and twist it anyway you feel necessary to fit your need at the time.

Believe what you want and forget the rest.

What worries me is are we decieving ourselves?

Try and please people first and throw God's name in there somewhere.

I have been guilty also.

I don't feel good about it either.



We are decieving ourselves and others when we do this.

We have become people pleasers and telling untruths.

Does anyone else get this feeling also or is it just me?

I get that feeling all the time.

[Evee]

Leaves you feeling kinda empty I don't understand that part of it.:eek:

[Little Lamb]

You should state what you honestly believe. If others don't agree with you, that's fine. You can't make someone believe the way you do.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Little Lamb
You should state what you honestly believe. If others don't agree with you, that's fine. You can't make someone believe the way you do.

Well, actually you can make others beleive the way you do, if you have that thing called 'charisma'. All of the hundreds of Catholic Orders and Brotherhoods and such were founded by Individuals who were able to project a very compelling vision of what to Believe.

Charisma is sometimes stronger than the Truth. Paul was able to make people believe in an entirely different doctrine then the one Christ preached. By many criteria of measurement Paul was actually more Charismatic than Christ... well, no.. it is just that Paul was in place longer.

But, yes, if you have that certain swagger and look in your eye, you can get people to believe whatever you want. Maharishi. Sung Mung Moon. Chipda Gopa or whatever his name is. All those guys have sold tons of books and have their little followers passing out pamphlets for $300 weekend seminars.

[Little Lamb]

Leo,

Ya got a point there. Except I beg to differ with you on one small tiny, itsy bitsy point you made.

Paul was led of the Holy Spirit to preach and write what he did.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Little Lamb
Leo,

Ya got a point there. Except I beg to differ with you on one small tiny, itsy bitsy point you made.

Paul was led of the Holy Spirit to preach and write what he did.

Look in Acts. In each instance where the Holy Spirit was manifest, it was explicitly mentioned. But not in regards to Paul.

Also, the Holy Spirit becomes problematic in that you have to say some Christians are lead by it and some are apparently lead astray by it. In an environment where no two Christains can agree on anything, then we must say that there is no general Holy Spirit.

Look at Paul's Letters. He is all the time warning his congregations against other Christains who have come to correct his Doctrines. Why is his Holy Spirit right and there's wrong.

It seems that the Holy Spirit is a pretty good Propaganda Tool.

But then, if Paul had the Holy Spirit, then why does this Holy Spirit contradict the Teachings of Christ in the Gospels. It is as clear as the nose on my face that the Protestant Churches and the Catholic Churches are two different Churches -- completely different Doctrines. The only difference is that the Protestants are entirely Paulian, and the Catholic more oriented toward the Gospels. What, Two Different Holy Spirits?

I've said this before, but the Holy Spirit must be proven by the Miraculous, and even then, must be verified as being of Good Fruit. Paul's big claim to the Holy Spirit, at the miraculous level was that he was able to shout at and frighten a little old man on Cyprus into having a debilitating stroke. Everyone became quite afraid of Paul and his curses. Is this Good Fruit?

Actual Christian Doctrine has been verified in the Lives of the Saints. In the Lives of the Saints we have Christ Like Miracles -- good miracles -- along with a reiteration of Gospel Doctrine. We don't have the Saints claiming that Righteousness is superfluous, that the Eucharist will make people sick, that the State is to be over the Church, that Marriage is good, and that Law should be cast aside. And there have been hundreds of Saints, but just One Paul. Maybe we should democratically determine whose Holy Spirit is valid or not.

Christ told us that there would be False Prophets and that there would be Tares among the Wheat and that Many would take the Wide Way to destruction. Paul started out murdering the Church. His Doctrines have never ceased bringing division and death to the Church. Now Paulian Doctrine separates The Church from both Jew and Muslim. We should derive some hint of Paul's ultimate Evil in that he rejects Righteousness. It is the most amazingly curious thing that a person claiming to be a Religious Leader can be successful with a Doctrine that Righteousness is no longer necessary to a Religious Life. You think that would be a universal tip off to the Satanic. But the general Evil in the Hearts of most of Mankind welcomed the Satanic Message. "Good", these little noxious souls said, "I never enjoyed being righteous anyway".

Paul would have us believe that Christ came to open the floodgates to free sin. Really? Little Lamb, use your faculty of true discernment and you will see that only right is right, and wrong is always wrong. Paul mixing them up is a Satanic trick. Just because it has fooled nearly everybody, does not mean that it should continue to fool you.

[Evee]

You should state what you honestly believe. If others don't agree with you, that's fine. You can't make someone believe the way you do

Hi Little Lamb,
Who me?

I believe like the post talking of twisting the scriptures. :shrug:

[Evee]

Paul would have us believe that Christ came to open the floodgates to free sin. Really? Little Lamb, use your faculty of true discernment and you will see that only right is right, and wrong is always wrong. Paul mixing them up is a Satanic trick. Just because it has fooled nearly everybody, does not mean that it should continue to fool you.



Huh what?
:eek:

[Little Lamb]

Leo really is an interesting person.

[Doma]

when someone interprets a scripture, is there another scripture that contradicts the interpretation? If so, then the interpretation is wrong.

[Evee]

Originally posted by Doma
when someone interprets a scripture, is there another scripture that contradicts the interpretation? If so, then the interpretation is wrong.


Goodness what does that mean? sounds like a real tongue twister......:eek:

[Little Lamb]

Originally posted by Doma
when someone interprets a scripture, is there another scripture that contradicts the interpretation? If so, then the interpretation is wrong.
I agree. :agree:

[Evee]

OK i finally figured that one out.
I agree also.
Scripture does not contradict itself.:agree: :shake:

[Little Lamb]

Originally posted by Evee
OK i finally figured that one out.
I agree also.
Scripture does not contradict itself.:agree: :shake:
It would be kind of silly if it did. :snicker:

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Evee
Paul would have us believe that Christ came to open the floodgates to free sin. Really? Little Lamb, use your faculty of true discernment and you will see that only right is right, and wrong is always wrong. Paul mixing them up is a Satanic trick. Just because it has fooled nearly everybody, does not mean that it should continue to fool you.



Huh what?
:eek:

Yeah, I believe that Paul was the False Prophet prophecized by Christ -- the Wolf in Sheep's Clothing, The Bad Fruit, The Tares in the Wheat, The Wide Way that leads to Destruction. Everyone else seems to believe that Christ, being right about everything else, was wrong about that.

After Christ asserted the necessity of Righteousness and Suffering and enjoined the Church to Unity, Paul came along and dispensed with Righteousness and divided the Church... and this after having had the career of a Murderer of Christians.

You will know a tree by its fruits. Paul was the Apostle to the Protestant Rebellion. Millions of Catholics were martyred. It might as well have been Paul himself with the knives and the torches. He is Satan.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Evee
OK i finally figured that one out.
I agree also.
Scripture does not contradict itself.:agree: :shake:

True!

This is why Paul's Letters need to be tossed out of Canon.

Paul teaches a Separate Doctrine.

Look at Acts 15 and Galatians 2. Peter and James sold Paul a franchise to have a separate Gentile Church. Now, I suppose they assumed that Paul would stay within the confines of Gospel Doctrine, but he did not. Paul repeatedly complains of Disciples and Apostles who come into 'his' Diocese contradicting 'his' teachings of licentiousness and free sin. \

Christ said we cannot serve two Masters. It is Christ or Paul.

[Little Lamb]

Leo,

You just agreed that the bible does not contridict itself. If you agree with this, then that means Paul is preaching the truth as Christ taught it.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Little Lamb
Leo really is an interesting person.


Thankyou!, Little Lamb. You're Charity for those who are despised will count for you greatly on the Day of Judgment.

[Little Lamb]

Originally posted by Leo Volont
Thankyou!, Little Lamb. You're Charity for those who are despised will count for you greatly on the Day of Judgment.
Leo,
I like you for some reason. I haven't always, but I do now. People have to get to know you and then they can make up their minds about you. I don't know what changed my mind, could be the Lord. You are a soul He died for.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Little Lamb
Leo,

You just agreed that the bible does not contridict itself. If you agree with this, then that means Paul is preaching the truth as Christ taught it.

What I said was that the Bible SHOULDN'T contradict itself. But Christ said that Tares would mix in with the Wheat. What do you think He meant? He Meant that the false would mix in with the True.

I believe it is a Satanic Test. The Way Job was Tested by Satan. Christians are offered the Truth and they are offered the False in the Same Book. We must use our Free Will and Choose. The Narrow Way of Christ. Or the Wide Way that leads to Destruction -- the Pauline Doctrines.

Now, if it is a Test, should I be giving out the answer? I believe these are the End Times. God wants people to take one more hard look at their Answer before they hand in their Test. I have been sent to be the Proctor -- the last Tutor. Before anybody believes that Paul justly supplants Christ, I ask, "Are you sure about that?"

[Little Lamb]

Leo, I'm positive.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Little Lamb
Leo,
I like you for some reason. I haven't always, but I do now. People have to get to know you and then they can make up their minds about you. I don't know what changed my mind, could be the Lord. You are a soul He died for.

Yeah, Christ and more than a few other Heavenly Principalities.

Years ago (and you can guess how old I am) I had a dream that Elijah, the Guardian of the Sacred Cave where we all go to pray in our Dreams, came up to me as I was kneeling and said "Behold, the Powers of Heaven and Hell are contending for your Soul". I looked up and the sky was full of fighting dragons.

I really believe it is Our Lady who kept the Angels in there for me. She is, after all, Queen of Heaven. Why me? I've had my little callings to Her all my life, here and there, but I suppose so has everybody. She is at least as famous as Elvis.

Anyway, people looking at this Post will probably wonder that in the Fight for my Soul, whether it was Heaven or Hell that really won. You're coming to have sympathy for me is perhaps not a bad clue. The Lions and the Lambs!

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Little Lamb
Leo, I'm positive.

You know, I don't think so.

Everyone who has read my posts will never be able to read Paul the same again. Slowly by slowly they will begin to see what I see. The whitewash will flake off that Demon and they will eventually come to see him in all his Darkness.

[Evee]

Hi Leo I plan to read that again about Paul.
I have the deepest of respect for Mary also.
I hope if I am spiritually blind I will be shown this.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Evee
Hi Leo I plan to read that again about Paul.
I have the deepest of respect for Mary also.
I hope if I am spiritually blind I will be shown this.

Hi Evee,

It may be extremely distasteful for some people to suppose that any of the Bible may be false. In this case, I recommend that the Gospels -- specifically the Words of Christ -- be studied and adhered to. This is the one redemption available to every Protestant -- that they have the Gospels sitting right there next to that Poison of Paul. Read the Gospels. And every time your Pastor tells you that you are Saved because you comply to an empty magic formula handed down by Paul, run home and again read the Gospels and reaffirm in your Heart, Mind and Will what Christ really expects of you.

You see, that Little Lamb still swears by Paul, but renders charity to the most despised person on this Page -- She preaches Paul with her mouth, but practices Christ in her Heart. On the Day of Judgment, Christ will only look at her Heart.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Evee
Hi Leo I plan to read that again about Paul.
I have the deepest of respect for Mary also.
I hope if I am spiritually blind I will be shown this.

Oh! About Mary.

She will be big in the News. So just stay open to Her.

Now, until then, simply avoid gratuitious insults. Many Protestants are irresistably compelled by Satan to insinuate that Mary was impure. There is no useful reason on God's Green Earth to impugn Mary's Reputation, but, with nothing to be gained by it, Protestants do it again and again and again. Try to renounce Satan in this tendency. It will not kill you to take Mary's Word that She is Immaculate and Ever Virgin.

She Herself will soon make it clear that She is Queen of Heaven.

[Little Lamb]

Leo,

Jesus Christ loves you. He died for you.

[Evee]

Don't you believe Jesus died on the cross Leo?
Now I am really wondering!

[Doma]

When Mary appears, its really a demon, just compare the apparitions words with scripture and you can see its not really Mary.

[Little Lamb]

Doma is correct.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Doma
When Mary appears, its really a demon, just compare the apparitions words with scripture and you can see its not really Mary.

yeah, I'm sure if you quote the Antichrist Paul then you can find a way to attack The Lady of Revelations 12.

You people never find it surprising that you take the side of a christian killer against the Mother of Jesus.

I know that you people hold the gospels as second rate scripture, to be ignored anywhere it is contradicted by Paul, the god you idolize, but look at Luke 2:35, "So that the thoughts of many will be revealed, a sword will pierce your (Mary's) Heart". These Accusations of yours are the Sword that pierces Mary's Heart. Then thoughts are revealed. "OH YES, Mary is a Demon!" Now, do you think that is what the Prophet Simeon would believe?

Mary has been stabbed in the Heart and the Church divides between those for Her and those against Her.

We have the Gospel of John where Christ on the Cross gives the Disciples He Loves to His Mother. But we can ignore this because a Murderer of Christians said that all Angels of Light are actually Demons -- and this only because the Real Disciples of Christ were intruding on his territory and he had to wip up a certain degree of hatred and bigotry against the Truth in order to protect his personal church revenues.

If you can look at Paul and see goodness, and look at Our Lady and see Evil, then you really need to sit down and meditate and get in touch with your heart, because your brain isn't really working for you.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Evee
Don't you believe Jesus died on the cross Leo?
Now I am really wondering!

Sure.

Doesn't every Catholic carry a Crucifix?

Doesn't every Catholic make the sign of the Cross -- a sign that ashews Satan, which no Protestant will make (not wishing to offend their master).

Yes, Christ died on the Cross.

The only question that remains is how extensive the Penance of the Crucifixion is. What the Catholic Church has learned, in the lives of its Saints and Mystics is that Suffering is still demanded. Christ asked us to take up our crosses and follow Him. Apparently He thought it necessary. There have been numerous martyrs. Hundreds of Stigmatics -- Saints who have supernaturally bourn the Five Wounds of Christ and have not been able to eat or drink for years at a time -- spending their entire lives suffering what Christ suffered for a day.

and while we have Catholics suffering this very real Pain for Sin, we have Protestants teaching that it is okay to sin because they are saved by their faith in Jesus. It is Protestants pouring gasoline on the fire, but it is the Catholics who are getting burnt.

Yes, Christ died on the Cross. And was resurrected in body. Mary also was taken bodily into Heaven. So was Elijah.

[Little Lamb]

No Leo, it's not ok to sin. Sinning is bad.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Little Lamb
No Leo, it's not ok to sin. Sinning is bad.

Good! That is the influence of Christ and the Gospels. Now, stay there. But if you pick up and go back to Paul, like you always do, then you will find quite to the contrary that Christ died for your sins, and that righteousness is a boast, and works are a debt, that you are saved by Faith, and that the Law has been discarded in Christ. In short, you will find that Paul says that Sin is not only okay, now, having been washed by the infinite power of Christ's Blood, but quite inevitable because all men sin and fall short of the glory of God. Paul teaches that Sin is Forgiven and that you will sin anyway. Isn't this a Doctrine that anybody would be glad to take on Spring Break, along with a carton of condums and a bottle of taquilla?

No, you should stay with Jesus and the Gospels. Sin is bad. Sin should be atoned for with Penance. We should take up our crosses and follow Him. As Christ has suffered for the sins of the World, while there is still Sin, we also should suffer for the Sin of the World. Be thou perfect even as the Father in Heaven is Perfect.

[Evee]

Leo is that at all possible to not sin.

I would love to know how as to not say a dirty word when things go wrong.
I would love to not have thoughts that is ungodly.
I wish you would tell me I am very interested.
I just never thought it could be done.
Please teach me and I am not being sarcastic. :)

[Doma]

I love Mary and think she is probably in heaven, but we don't know...

Rom 10:
6: But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
7: Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

But what is sad, is that catholics who think the apparitions are Mary, are really loving a demon and not the real Mary whom I love.

a catholioc source:

http://wordbytes.org/doctrine/purgatory.htm

Purgatory has become a popular topic, mainly as the result of revelations during alleged apparitions of Our Lady and Our Lord. However, we cannot assume that all "revelations" are completely trustworthy. Some may mix human understanding with divine inspiration. Others may be outright deceptions from the Evil One.

[Little Lamb]

Leo,

Paul doesn't say it's ok to sin, because it's not. Sin is wrong no matter how you look at it.