Trinity or Monotheism. The Great Mistake

[Leo Volont]

Trinity or Monotheism?

Global Religious Reconciliation. What would it cost?

I know how the Church can bring back the Jews. We give them Paul’s head on a silver platter. He was the first Anti-Semite who, if you read Acts 15, insisted that the Church open a Gentile Only Franchise. I’m sure Peter never imagined that this Gentile Faction would turn around and teach that the Parent Jewish Church was heretical and then slaughter it off, but that is what happened. Going back to square one only requires that we renounce Paul.

But then I wondered what could reconcile the Church to Islam. For the longest time I had no idea. But you know what they say, “be careful what you wish for”.

Islam is very jealous of a jealous God. They are quintessential Monotheists. There is only One God. Now, any Old Testament Christian could not gainsay this in the least. The Patriarchs rather insisted upon Monotheism. What exactly changed that we must insist upon a scripturally unexplainable Trinity?

Was it entirely necessary to make a God out of Christ? As the Pure Son of the Immaculate Conception Christ was the Original Adam but without the Sin, and in His Sacrifice He atoned for Adam’s Sin. Wouldn’t this Formula account for everything that needs to be accounted for in our Redemption? We do not appear to need to make the Supreme Creature equal to the Creator. When we do, it gives us nothing more then we had already with God the Father, but it makes us anathema to sincere Monotheists.

Protestants may discern what we are up against by thinking of a simple parallel – if they think for a moment of what a blasphemy it seems when they believe that anybody would worship Mary as equal to Christ, then this is only a fraction of the abomination the Muslims perceives when the Christian presumes to place Jesus as equal and coexistent to the One Creator. They see us worshipping a Man as God. Eoooowww Yuk!

As it may turn out, Jesus Christ as the New Pure Adam, the Highest Point of Creation, may actually not be so much higher or better than His Mother. Her Immaculate Purity gives Her the Status of an Original Eve, as Christ’s birth from Her gives Him the Purity of an Original Adam. A Son of God. A Daughter of God. If Protestants decided to reconcile with Islam, their reconciliation with The Catholic Church of Mary would follow along naturally – for without insisting on Christ’s Equality with God the Father, they would no longer find it doctrinally necessary to despise Mary’s Equality with Christ.

[JayD]

I know how the Church can bring back the Jews. We give them Paul’s head on a silver platter. He was the first Anti-Semite who, if you read Acts 15, insisted that the Church open a Gentile Only Franchise. I’m sure Peter never imagined that this Gentile Faction would turn around and teach that the Parent Jewish Church was heretical and then slaughter it off, but that is what happened. Going back to square one only requires that we renounce Paul.

Can you please show how you draw this conclusion from acts 15

[Little Lamb]

Leo,

I used to be Catholic. Catholics don't get along with the Jews. Or at least my father never liked the Jews. I really shouldn't include ALL Catholics.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by JayD
Can you please show how you draw this conclusion from acts 15

Hi JayD,

Its not a long Chapter. Paul had come to Jerusalem to ask for a separate dispensation for Gentiles. Remember, this was after Paul had sent a great deal of money ahead (Acts 11: 27-30).

Peter stands up and says "What the Heck, we never liked the Law and since even we can't follow it, why should we suppose a bunch of goatloving Greeks could do what we couldn't or wouldn't do ourselves. So if they want to call themselves Christains and give us money, why not?"

Then James stood up, apparently having more authority than Peter (??), and said that all would be fine if the Greeks could abide by a few dietary and sexual restrictions. Then a Letter was written which effectively granted the Franchise.

Notice, that before Chapter 15 ends, Paul picks a fight with Barnabas who brought him into the Church and goes off totally by himself. Once Paul got his Franchise he no longer needed Barnabas or anyone. In Galatians he talks of himself as Head of the Gentile Church while relegating Peter to being only the Leader of the Circumcized Dicks.

I'm surprised you have any problem seeing this. What did you think was going on?

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Little Lamb
Leo,

I used to be Catholic. Catholics don't get along with the Jews. Or at least my father never liked the Jews. I really shouldn't include ALL Catholics.

Yeah! You are absolutely correct. It wouldn't take much of a memory to find that I was virulently antisemitic. It was only by praying the Rosary everyday that I was always reminded of Our Lady's Recitation of the Magnificat, which is essentially a Jewish Prayer thanking God for The Promised One. Her Church, the way She envisioned it, lasted only a Generation, and then Paul's Gentile Church, with all the Anti-Semiticism and Anti-Law Doctrine that Paul indoctrinated, persecuted and maybe even murdered off the Jewish Church. For instance, when Roman Policy decided to irradicate the Jews during the Rebellions in Judea of 70 and then 130 AD, dispensations were made not to harm the Gentile Christains, who apparently used their influence in Rome to apply for dispensation and protection. Was it not likely that these Gentile Christains purposefully omitted applying for protection on behalf of the Christain Church of Judea, dispite the fact that it did not take up arms against Rome. I think that the Gentile Church threw the Jewish Church to the wolves. Nothing else can account for the Parent Church's total disappearance, and then the overwhelming Influence that eventuall accrued to what had only been a separate Gentile Franchise.

As much as I enjoyed being Anti-Semitic, it all sources out of an original injustice. Not that the Modern Jew can't be suspected of a degree of depravity -- having gone 2000 years without a Religion -- even if they were cheated out of it, the evil results are evident. But the Evil Karma is on the Catholic Church, and we owe it to Justice to try to ameliorate the awful situation. We must give the Jews back their Church. Justice offers no other choice. The Gentiles stole it and now must give it back.

Catholics will hate what I am saying, but they must keep in mind Our Lady reciting the Magnificat. We must do it for a Pure 14 year old Jewish Virgin who could never imagine that we might even consider not doing the right thing.

[Doma]

Leo you will have your wish after the rapture takes place. Then there will be only 3 faiths. One world religion, the illegal christians, and the Jewish faith.

[Buzzard]

Originally posted by Leo Volont
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--{snip}--

We must give the Jews back their Church. Justice offers no other choice. The Gentiles stole it and now must give it back.
Oh, No:

The Gentiles didn't steal it;
:eek:
the sect of the Pharisees did,

somehow
???????????????????????
The Sect of the Pharisees
managed to rise too the supremacy and
re-set up the Seat of Moses
and set "As God" in the temple of God
or "As Moses"
and claim to
"SPEAK AS God"

not claiming "Too Be God"
only the same authority

When Peter went to Rome too get it straightened out
as Christ Prophesied
Peter would suffer the same death as did Christ
he went too his own,
and they received him notthen as they did Christ
The Church in Rome conspired against Peter,
and Tricked the Romans into putting Peter on the cross

[list=1] Peter went to his own Church
"The Church of Rome" and his brethern
they received him not
Conspired against him
Tricked Ceasar into crucifying him[/list=1]
and he died the same death as his master
as prophesied


drazzuB

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Doma
Leo you will have your wish after the rapture takes place. Then there will be only 3 faiths. One world religion, the illegal christians, and the Jewish faith.

Dear Doma,

The "Rapture" is a recent doctrine. Up until a few hundred years ago no one had ever envisioned such a thing. The scriptural references to it are vague at best.

In modern prophecy the closest thing we have to a Rapture is the promise that during the Three Days of Darkness, where 75% of the World's Population will carried off by horrible and frightening deaths, that some of the young children and babies will be taken in their innocence because it would be understood that they could not survive the horrible days ahead.

Also, philosophically, the Rapture doesn't make much sense. If all Christains are taken up, then why not go directly to the Day of Judgment? What is the use of having all the various Damned Factions carry on a fight that is moot at best. Without the Christains, wouldn't it be a simple fight between the devils on one side and the demons on the other. So what? Why would God even care anymore? So it doesn't make sense.

The Christains will not get a free out. If you live through the Three Days of Darkness you will then have three and a half of the worse years of human history to live through. As Christ prophecized, you will wish you were dead.

Now, there may be a certain applicable phenomena -- on the Day of Judgment Our Lord will take up only those who have Earned Heaven by their Righteousness, leaving all the rest of the World behind on the Field of Josephat. Of course, those who expected to be 'saved' will be left standing below with somewhat mixed feelings, particularly as, when the Clouds close behind Our Lord the demons and the diabolical dragons will be turned loose and will fly over the horizons and begin what would be their eternal tormenting.

This initial lifting up of the Just may be what you call the Rapture. But, really, I don't know many who would qualify. These Souls will not meet simply a doctrinal qualification -- the Lord will not lift them up because of what they Think, but for what they've done.

Oh, by the way, if you are left standing there, don't be entirely downhearted. Start chanting "Mary! Mary!" and don't stop. If the Chant becomes General, Our Lady will appear and call back Jesus to the Judgment, and the negotiations and intercessions will begin. Then, suddenly, all those who had accused Mary of impurity all their quasi-religious life, will be hoping with all their eternal souls that Mary would indeed prove to be as Worthy as they had always denied. Quite an ironic situation it will be. But, when confronted by the event, understand it immediately and do not be caught up in past -- don't stubbornly persist in your error once you know it. Without shame or reserve chant "Mary, Mary, Mary", and there might still be hope (hint: Our Lady will say to the Lord, "O My Beloved Son, canst Thou send to Hell those who have Thy Mother's Name on their tongues?).

[Doma]

quote:

The "Rapture" is a recent doctrine. Up until a few hundred years ago no one had ever envisioned such a thing. The scriptural references to it are vague at best.

reply:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/rapture.html

There is an apocalyptic sermon designated as written Pseudo-Ephraim,
believed to be written by Ephraim of Nisibis (AD 306-373), a prolific Syrian
church father. Some suggest it may not have been written until AD 565-627.
It goes as:

"Why therefore do we not reject every care of earthly actions and prepare
ourselves for the meeting of the Lord Christ, so that he may draw us from
the confusion, which overwhelms the world?...All the saints and the elect of
God are gathering together before the tribulation, which is to come and are
taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion
which overwhelms the world because of our sins."

Historical evidence that the pre-trib rapture is NOT new:

http://www.raptureready.com/featured/tt14.html
http://www.according2prophecy.org/ancient.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ks3/by_the_book/articles/ice/tt14.html
http://www.grantjeffrey.com/article/why_some_reject.htm
http://www.tribulationforces.com/ephraem.shtml
http://www.raptureme.com/terry/james6.html
http://www.raptureme.com/terry/james27.html

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quote:

If all Christains are taken up, then why not go directly to the Day of Judgment?

reply:

many many reasons.

1. To prove to the anti-christ and the world that man cannot rule the world without God.

2. The time of the Hebrews is not over

3. To wake the sleeping christians who aren't ready for the rapture.

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quote:

What is the use of having all the various Damned Factions carry on a fight that is moot at best.

reply:

There won't be alot of factions.

One world religion and one world governement and one world economic system,

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quote:

Without the Christains, wouldn't it be a simple fight between the devils on one side and the demons on the other.

reply:

The battle will be between mankind and God.

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quote:

Why would God even care anymore?

reply:

Actually the tribulation is a gift of mercy. a wake up call and last chance to repent and get ready. Many of whom will do so.

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quote:

The Christains will not get a free out.

reply:

It's not free, you must obtain the extra oil. What is this oil? How do you get it? Read here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/prepare.html

and only half the christians will be raptured.

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quote:

If you live through the Three Days of Darkness you will then have three and a half of the worse years of human history to live through. As Christ prophecized, you will wish you were dead.


reply:

I am a Pre- tribber.
I believe I will miss all 7 years.

[Leo Volont]

What's a Pre-tribber?

Anyway, Domo, good answer.

I like it that you use Revelation from the Saints. If you quote Saintly Revelation, it makes it difficult for you to continue to deny the Ministry of the Saints.

Still, there won't be a Rapture. Look at what your Prophecy said -- that the Saints and the Elect will be taken up before the Tribulation. Well, haven't they. Its been 2 thousand years with alot of Saints and Elect. Look around now. You say any Saints or Elect standing around? What has caught my attention is that there are presently no First or Second Magnitude Catholic Saints alive today. Every generation has had one or two. But none are here now.

Now don't suppose that everyone who professes Christ or thinks he has Faith is a Saint or Elect. Christ gave his Criteria for Faith -- it is Miraculous. What passes for Faith these days is actually just hope. People having an opinion is not Faith. It was Pauls way of appealing to the Greek Sophists to pretend that what people THINK is supremely important. But God judges our actions more than our thoughts, and our heart more than our mind. Being able to agree with a Theological Checklist made up by your silly pastor does not make you Elect of God. Being Elijah or Saint Francis makes you Elect of God.

And as these End Time Tribulations begin they are all up there looking down.

[Little Lamb]

Leo,

You are such a trip.

After Paul and Barnabas split up, Barnabas took John Mark with him and Paul went and found Silas.

I hope Leo gets saved one day.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by JayD
Can you please show how you draw this conclusion from acts 15

Dear Jayd

Well, just look at Acts 15. Instead of ruling that there would only be One Church, with one set of rules, they decided that there could be a separate Gentile Church. Paul in Galatians Chapter 2, I believe, gives his spin on it. He brags that he is given the Franchise of the Gentile Church -- that Peter said that he could teach anything he liked as long as he paid his dues.

Maybe the trick to reading the Scriptures is to read them like you are reading Time Magazine -- the politics is all the same. There is the political statement, and then there is what it means. You have to be able to bring your brain along with you. Are you just staring at the words? Maybe you should spend about 20 years reading History. And then when you read something, you might begin to know what to think that it means.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Little Lamb
Leo,

You are such a trip.

After Paul and Barnabas split up, Barnabas took John Mark with him and Paul went and found Silas.

I hope Leo gets saved one day.

Hi LittleLamb,

Yeah, it wasn't an amiable parting. Paul went to Barnabas and insisted that John Mark be thrown out of the Church for ... the disagreement was never fully detailed, but apparently John Mark thought he was entitled to his own opinion, or Christ's Opinion, on something that Paul had other thoughts about. Anyway, Barnabas took Mark's side and Paul never spoke to Barnabas again, after all Barnabas had done for him. Paul is a snake.

[Buzzard]

:eek:
You do have away with words
Leo;

:green:

Your allright in my book
drazzuB

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Buzzard
:eek:
You do have away with words
Leo;

:green:

Your allright in my book
drazzuB

Hi Buzzard,

I was reading on the "Devil His Due" post. Apparently we were both thrown off that one page. Hmmmmmm. Remember the Beatitudes -- "Blessed are the Persecuted for they will receive the biggest slices of pie in Heaven".

[Little Lamb]

Originally posted by Leo Volont
Hi LittleLamb,

Yeah, it wasn't an amiable parting. Paul went to Barnabas and insisted that John Mark be thrown out of the Church for ... the disagreement was never fully detailed, but apparently John Mark thought he was entitled to his own opinion, or Christ's Opinion, on something that Paul had other thoughts about. Anyway, Barnabas took Mark's side and Paul never spoke to Barnabas again, after all Barnabas had done for him. Paul is a snake.
:hi:Leo,
No, Leo, Paul didn't want John Mark thrown out of the church. Silly Leo. Barnabas was the friendly type and wanted to give everybody a chance. Paul wanted to get going. They were going to visit other churches that they had started and see how everybody was doing. Barnabas gets an idea :idea: He wants to bring John Mark with them. Paul said No way! It was because John Mark had left them before and Paul didn't want that happening again. So the fight started. :duel: And they separated company.

But later on in another of Pauls books, 2nd Timothy you'll find that Paul changes his mind about John Mark

2nd Timothy 4:11 -
Only Luke is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with thee: for he is profitable to me for the ministry.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Little Lamb
:hi:Leo,
No, Leo, Paul didn't want John Mark thrown out of the church. Silly Leo. Barnabas was the friendly type and wanted to give everybody a chance. Paul wanted to get going. They were going to visit other churches that they had started and see how everybody was doing. Barnabas gets an idea :idea: He wants to bring John Mark with them. Paul said No way! It was because John Mark had left them before and Paul didn't want that happening again. So the fight started. :duel: And they separated company.

But later on in another of Pauls books, 2nd Timothy you'll find that Paul changes his mind about John Mark

2nd Timothy 4:11 -
Only Luke is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with thee: for he is profitable to me for the ministry.

Now how is what you said any different from what I said. Paul hated Mark and because Barnabas wouldn't join him in his bottomless hatred, Paul decided to hate Barnabas too.

What you need to do is pretend it is somebody like ME doing the same thing that Paul is, then you will begin to have a sufficient contempt for what is unmistakably abominable behavior.

[Little Lamb]

Originally posted by Leo Volont
Now how is what you said any different from what I said. Paul hated Mark and because Barnabas wouldn't join him in his bottomless hatred, Paul decided to hate Barnabas too.

What you need to do is pretend it is somebody like ME doing the same thing that Paul is, then you will begin to have a sufficient contempt for what is unmistakably abominable behavior.
You know, that is one way of looking at it. But eventually Paul made up with Mark. You didn't tell the whole story. I gave more details and said why it happened and you didn't. :p

[Buzzard]

Originally posted by Leo Volont
Hi Buzzard,

I was reading on the "Devil His Due" post. Apparently we were both thrown off that one page. Hmmmmmm. Remember the Beatitudes -- "Blessed are the Persecuted for they will receive the biggest slices of pie in Heaven".
Yeah,
they elect Buzz and Squeakster President
and then impeach both of us

Buzzard for President

http://botcw.com/talk/showthread.php?threadid=1555

:green:

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Buzzard
Yeah,
they elect Buzz and Squeakster President
and then impeach both of us

Buzzard for President

http://botcw.com/talk/showthread.php?threadid=1555

:green:

Yeah, I've been banned by both Atheist AND Protestant Web Pages -- it is like being thrown out of both Doors of Hell!

[Little Lamb]

Originally posted by Leo Volont
Yeah, I've been banned by both Atheist AND Protestant Web Pages -- it is like being thrown out of both Doors of Hell!

And I hope that's the case with you, Leo. I hope you end up in Heaven. I really do. You'd make a fine witness. You already know how to explain the Bible in today's terms. You're also very entertaining. God can use you. I see potential in you.

[Buzzard]

Originally posted by Leo Volont
[Yeah, I've been banned by both Atheist AND Protestant Web Pages -- it is like being thrown out of both Doors of Hell!
You got me beat,
I've only been banned from one,
But I spent my entire career from the 1st post in either
The pit of hell
Jail
the Bottomless pit
Satans Little Helpers
seems I saw meagain there also
:green:

[Little Lamb]

Buzz said:
seems I saw meagain there also
He does post at CWS.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Little Lamb
And I hope that's the case with you, Leo. I hope you end up in Heaven. I really do. You'd make a fine witness. You already know how to explain the Bible in today's terms. You're also very entertaining. God can use you. I see potential in you.

You REALLY are so Sweet!

The Way I see it is that these are the End Times. But what does that mean. Some see it as the end of the world -- universal destruction. Others see it as the beginning of a whole new Era -- a New Dispensation. If it is the Destruction of the World we are looking forward to, then a few last converts may be worth our while. However, if it is to be a whole new Era, then we must put our thinking caps on and figure our What it could possibly be.

I am UP on all of Our Lady's Revelations, and it seems like there will be a New World Wide Catholicism. Well, traditional Catholics look at this and say "Oh Good". But I look at it and think "That will take an awful lot of work".

Remember what Christ said about the Last Dispensation --"That you can't put New Wine into Old Skins". The Catholic Church that we know now -- half built upon Paul the Antichrist and institutionally Antisemitic and defiantly Polytheistic (raising up Christ as a Rival God to Allah Abba, God the Father Almighty) is simply not the 'Skin' that will contain the New Dispensation.

Saint Malachi of the 11th Century correctly prophecized every future Roman Catholic Pope. John Paul II, the current Pope, is also the second to last Pope. The Roman Franchise is coming to an end. The Last Pope will be "Peter the Roman" -- in Saint Malachi's terms. I see this to mean that the Last Pope will not go quietly -- that he will insist upon Gentile Supremacy in the New Church and will resist the move to Jerusalem. It will be a difficult time for traditional Catholics.

However, Our Lady has said that the Holy Spirit will be increasingly active. In fact, She does not say that this New Dispensation will be Her Dispensation. This Last Dispensation which we have been living in has been Her Dispensation. All of the Apparitions and the Guidance given to the Church has made it Her Dispensation. She says the next Era will be the Age of the Holy Spirit.

So many Christians, Protestant and Catholic speak of the Holy Spirit as though it is already here. They couldn't be more deluded. They are like a new first time expectant mother that 'thinks' she 'might' be having labor contractions because she has alittle indigestion (metaphor from my ex-wife). We will SEE the Holy Spirit in Our Generation, and it will be SO FAR beyond any of this ordinary trifling crap that people now claim as the Holy Spirit.

Hopefully, there will be some guidance there. I know what is going to happen to a point. The Traditional Catholics and the Protestants will see a Unification of the Higher Religions of the World in this New Church of Jerusalem and they will raise the cry of "Antichrist! Antichrist! Ofcourse, they will be the ones taking the Field against the Holy Spirit, but there will not be any telling them that -- this will simply fit their Intellectual Model too well for them to bother to reflect that they may be the ones in the wrong. Our Lady may be explicit. The Holy Spirit may be explicit. But the same way that Protestants have rejected Our Lady, they may reject the Last Warnings even the Obvious Divine Revelations as Signs of Satan. Its going to be a mess.

But, for me, right now, the game plan is to start the Reconciliation. Let's see where the Jews are right and deserving. Let's see where Islam is right and deserving. For the Catholics, Saint John Bosco in the 19th Century had a Vision of the New Church, and that only TWO THINGS would be preserved -- The Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist and Our Lady. Everything else the Catholic Church should be willing to see go by the roadside in order to forge a reconciliation to the Three World Religions.

[Little Lamb]

Leo,

As I see it, there is a one world religion coming which will probably be Catholic. A lot of Protestant churches are returning to the Catholic Church. Then Christ will come and reign and destroy all religion.

The lion will lay down with the lamb.

Nothing about Mary. I do believe she's in Heaven.

[Buzzard]

Originally posted by Little Lamb
Buzz said:
seems I saw meagain there also



He does post at CWS.

Sorry,
meagain and I spent a few days in the pit togather
helping satan out on Eugene's Board
http://www.everythingimportant.org/index.php

he put us here for safe keeping
http://www.everythingimportant.org/viewforum.php?f=22&sid=85b9ff18a2133beb23ddbb2b6d755749

Never did get to have my day in Court tho

[Little Lamb]

Originally posted by Buzzard
He does post at CWS.

Sorry,
meagain and I spent a few days in the pit togather
helping satan out on Eugene's Board
http://www.everythingimportant.org/index.php

he put us here for safe keeping
http://www.everythingimportant.org/viewforum.php?f=22&sid=85b9ff18a2133beb23ddbb2b6d755749

Never did get to have my day in Court tho [/QUOTE]
Ok, all I saw was your names and no posts.

Best to stay here and keep out of trouble. You can still :duel: and keep out of trouble. :rolleyes:

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Little Lamb
Leo,

As I see it, there is a one world religion coming which will probably be Catholic. A lot of Protestant churches are returning to the Catholic Church. Then Christ will come and reign and destroy all religion.

The lion will lay down with the lamb.

Nothing about Mary. I do believe she's in Heaven.



"The Lion lay down with the Lamb" Well, I'm Leo. I guess this little piece of Prophecy means that I will ease up a bit as the End Times approach.

"Destroy all religion". Religion is the only solid basis for Morality. Without Religion morality rests on aesthetics. for instance, nowadays the Capitalists and Republicans have convinced most of the World that Greed is Good and that Exploitation is Fair. So you can see what happens to Morality when you take away Religion.

If Christ really does come as King, then Religion will simply become whatever it is that Christ imposes as a Cultural Norm. You can't separate Christ from Religion. The Closer a Saint is to God the more permeated every aspect of their Life and Behavior becomes in what we would call Religion. Their Life becomes Religious. In the Catholic Church, that is what they call Monks and Nuns -- they call them 'Religious' -- as a plural or singular, male or female, noun refering to Clergy, Monks or Nuns. Religion is a Life Style in relation to God. There is no way you can destroy Religion without destroying God and totally Materializing Society -- is that what you mean?

About Mary. So far She has been the Only One involved. Christ is still biding His time. Its been Mary who has been making all the Appearances. Without Mary's Revelations most of our information would be two thousand years old.

Why work in the dark, Little Lamb. Do a few Web Searches and catch up on Marian Revelation. Might fill in the picture for you a little bit more.

But your vision is better than some. How did you come by it? Visions. Dreams. Intuitions.

[Little Lamb]

Leo,

I've come by my conclusion from my bible. The best source there is. The Lord has shown me these things.

Leo Jesus loves you. He died for you.

Religion is man made.

Christianity is Christ made.

Jon 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

He is the way to salvation and God.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Not Mary.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Little Lamb
You know, that is one way of looking at it. But eventually Paul made up with Mark. You didn't tell the whole story. I gave more details and said why it happened and you didn't. :p

Paul never made up with Mark, nor with Barnabus. He cut himself off from that whole Original Church and insisted that his followers see them as "False Apostles". His famous dictum about how 'Angels of Light are Satan' was aimed at these former comrades of his. Paul saw his Churches and his congregations as a personal property that he guarded very jealously. He was a Charismatic Meglamaniac -- such people don't 'make up' with enemies and rivals. As soon as Paul got what he wanted from Jerusalem, he cut all ties and set up a personal Kingdom and made himself Pope of the Gentiles. and it was to last. count the Books in the New Testament. Jesus and the Real Apostles have 13 Books, but Paul the Murdering Usurper has 14. We don't have a Christianity. We have a Paulianity.

[Little Lamb]

Originally posted by Leo Volont
Paul never made up with Mark, nor with Barnabus. He cut himself off from that whole Original Church and insisted that his followers see them as "False Apostles". His famous dictum about how 'Angels of Light are Satan' was aimed at these former comrades of his. Paul saw his Churches and his congregations as a personal property that he guarded very jealously. He was a Charismatic Meglamaniac -- such people don't 'make up' with enemies and rivals. As soon as Paul got what he wanted from Jerusalem, he cut all ties and set up a personal Kingdom and made himself Pope of the Gentiles. and it was to last. count the Books in the New Testament. Jesus and the Real Apostles have 13 Books, but Paul the Murdering Usurper has 14. We don't have a Christianity. We have a Paulianity.

Leo,
Where does all that information come from? I showed you where Paul said something good about John Mark. :confused:

[Leo Volont]

Dear Little Lamb,

It saddens me, by you are right about Mark, if it was the same Mark. It is so disheartening that so many of Christ's Original Disciples were seduced away by that bilious Antichrist.

Well, when Christ Ascended, He left the field to Satan. And these Disciples were just mere men. Simple men, mostly. A few educated tax collectors and a scribe or two. But mostly simple people. And Paul was a Pharisee, which is to say "Lawyer". He was able to talk those stupid farmers into believing anything.

Thank God that Mary began to Appear to the Church. She was to keep the Gospel alive. By the Thirteenth Century, because of Her influence, nearly all of Spiritual Practice was from Christ and the Gospels. But the Printing Press was to resurrect Paul, and that Antichrist would again come to dominate the Church.

[Little Lamb]

Originally posted by Leo Volont
Dear Little Lamb,

It saddens me, by you are right about Mark, if it was the same Mark. It is so disheartening that so many of Christ's Original Disciples were seduced away by that bilious Antichrist.

Well, when Christ Ascended, He left the field to Satan. And these Disciples were just mere men. Simple men, mostly. A few educated tax collectors and a scribe or two. But mostly simple people. And Paul was a Pharisee, which is to say "Lawyer". He was able to talk those stupid farmers into believing anything.

Thank God that Mary began to Appear to the Church. She was to keep the Gospel alive. By the Thirteenth Century, because of Her influence, nearly all of Spiritual Practice was from Christ and the Gospels. But the Printing Press was to resurrect Paul, and that Antichrist would again come to dominate the Church.

Leo,

Paul got saved on the road to Damascus. When Jesus left, He sent the Holy Spirit and not Mary. Mary is in Heaven enjoying being with Jesus. She never appeared to anyone.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Little Lamb
Leo,

Paul got saved on the road to Damascus. When Jesus left, He sent the Holy Spirit and not Mary. Mary is in Heaven enjoying being with Jesus. She never appeared to anyone.

Little Lamb,

You can ignore hundreds of Historical Accounts of Mary's Appearances. Why not ignore the Advent of Christ. Why not ignore the Patriarchs and the Prophets?

Mary's Divine Revelation is as valid and certain as anything that has been before Her.

To deny Her Revelation is simple Atheism. You deny the Truth because it disagrees with your Preconceptions of what you think the Truth should be.

Your mind has been poisoned by all those Prot Pastors. What of Scripture. Our Lady will be the Woman who will crush the Head of the Serpeant. Who is the Lady of Revelations 12 clothed in the Sun and wearing the Crown of 12 Stars?

Mary will destroy Satan. this is why Satanic Protestantism has both Consciously and Unconsciously militated against Her. You have given your Souls to Satan and he moves you to your constant and apparently inerradicable hatred for Our Lady.

They say souls will be Happy in Heaven. But they say Our Lady is Lady of Sorrows. She is not Happy. Even otherwise good people can't resist the impulse to slap Her Face at every opportunity.

Just once. JUST ONCE. Can't you let an opportunity to insult Our Lady pass without smacking Her?

[Little Lamb]

Originally posted by Leo Volont
Little Lamb,

You can ignore hundreds of Historical Accounts of Mary's Appearances. Why not ignore the Advent of Christ. Why not ignore the Patriarchs and the Prophets?

Mary's Divine Revelation is as valid and certain as anything that has been before Her.

To deny Her Revelation is simple Atheism. You deny the Truth because it disagrees with your Preconceptions of what you think the Truth should be.

Your mind has been poisoned by all those Prot Pastors. What of Scripture. Our Lady will be the Woman who will crush the Head of the Serpeant. Who is the Lady of Revelations 12 clothed in the Sun and wearing the Crown of 12 Stars?

Mary will destroy Satan. this is why Satanic Protestantism has both Consciously and Unconsciously militated against Her. You have given your Souls to Satan and he moves you to your constant and apparently inerradicable hatred for Our Lady.

They say souls will be Happy in Heaven. But they say Our Lady is Lady of Sorrows. She is not Happy. Even otherwise good people can't resist the impulse to slap Her Face at every opportunity.

Just once. JUST ONCE. Can't you let an opportunity to insult Our Lady pass without smacking Her?

Leo,

You have no bible references to what you quote. It is based on tradition. Jesus will destroy Satan. Mary was a vessel and honored for God to use her. You're replacing Mary with Jesus.