Do You Support a National ID Card?

[me again]

Do you support a National ID card? :duel:

[Little Lamb]

:confused: I don't know how to answer this question.

I will say this :type: It's just one more way for the government to have info on you.

[Tom]

I believe a person should be required to carry ID on them any time they are away from their residence. If they are requested to produce this ID by law enforcement they should be legally required to do so.

The card should have a photo of the holder, his name and current address and social security number.

I also believe that the constitution should only apply to US citizens. I do not believe that foreign nationals should have any constitutional guarantees while here in the USA. If you are a foreign student at one of our universities or a foreigner just visiting or here to do business the police should be able to monitor all of your communications if they desire and they should be able to search your residence, vehicle or person without warrant. The standard of certainty for any legal action involving a foreigner should be lowered from a reasonable doubt, to a preponderance of the evidence, the same which is used in civil litigation. I also believe that only US citizens should be allowed to purchase land in the USA.

We do not need to further invade the rights of our fellow citizens, we do however, need to use common sense when dealing with people from other countries. America is for Americans. If they want to enjoy our freedoms let them become citizens and help bear the burden. If they do not then back to the camel ranch with them.

Tom

[me again]

Surprisingly, the Supreme Court of the U.S. has ruled that aliens have all of the same constitutional guarantees of U.S. citizens, except in cases of "national security" (that's a buzz word).

As an example, illegal aliens have a constitutionally protected right to be read Miranda, if they are questioned by the police for breaking an American law. And their children, who are also here illegally, have a legal right to receive a free American education, albeit that is also being litigated [again] in California.

I agree with you, Tom, that we need a national ID card. :banana: :devil:

[Angel]

I think that the ID's we have now are sufficent. They tell all about us.
As for aliens, they should be here only legally. I believe that if they are here illegally then they should have to pay to go back to their own country and their country should pay the expenses of that travel. I believe that if they are here legally, then they should learn our language and pay our taxes just the same as we do. If they want to be "Americans" then so be it, but they need to live by the same rules as we do. I don't think that we should be giving aliens that are here legally the means to buy companies, houses, and other things just because they are coming to the US. If we can't even support or help our own fellow Americans then why should we be giving a hand out to those that have decided to come across the border and have all the same rights as Americans and the money FROM the US. They need to earn it just as we do. I wish that I would be given the same amount of money they have been given upon entry into the US.

[saved]

Originally posted by me again
Do you support a National ID card? :duel:

Absolutely not. WE are losing our freedoms to the liberal religious as well as those who have no religion. It is not possible to be free and be watched at the same time even if it is done with so called I.D. cards. We have turned given up or rights in the simple area of taking a plane. Now we have to surrender to personal searches. What we are seeing is much of the same things that took place in Nazi Germany and we seem to have not learned anything from it.

A national identification card, much like random roadblocks to check for seatbelt violations and drugs and other ‘Suspect every Citizen’ programs, would be a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution. It states that "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated." If one must produce an identification card upon demand without demonstrable reason for suspicion, then one’s right to be secure in one’s person is conditional. If this condition can be imposed, additional conditions, such as curfews, or the requiring of permits, can be put in place as well. You’ll then have the ‘right’ to go where you please so long as you obey the hours of travel rules and have the proper documents, paying the proper fees of course, and have them in order for every checkpoint along the way.

As Benjamin Franklin once wrote, those who would give up essential liberty for temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security. Where our security and liberty is concerned, we must remain constantly vigilant and uncompromisingly devoted.

[saved]

http://www.jubilee-newspaper.com/id_card_95.htm

[Little Lamb]

The government is getting more and more control over us.

[me again]

I do not understand this statement:The Coalition to Repeal the Fingerprints Law, a Georgia grassroots movement, is trying to rid the state of the new requirement to give digital fingerprints in order to obtain a state ID or driver's license. source (http://www.jubilee-newspaper.com/id_card_95.htm)Why don't people want to surrender their fingerprints? Fingerprints are one of the few biometric ways that we can fight identity fraud. We catch many criminals by having their fingerprints on file. Without fingerprints, it would be much easier for criminals to prey upon the public. :no:

I just don't understand what it is that a minority of people are fearing. :doh:

[kevingaily]

Me again,

I'm curious if this is in lieu of the state ID/liscense, or as a replacement of them. I voted no. I believe in State's rights as well. While the Federal Government is good and necessary, I don't want them to extinguish the rights of individual States to do their thing. We are the united STATES of america. I've seen much erosion of States rights lately. When Fed's can overrule the state's rights and laws it can be good.... or dangerous if the wrong leaders are in office. So their must be a balance. This was the desire of our forefathers when they established this great nation.

I cringe a little when it comes to things like on-star and national ID's. Since I believe that there will be a great tribulation and the mark of the beast by which noone can buy or sell without it talked about in Revelation, I am hesitent to give too much control to government. I believe we need ways to be IDed, don't get me wrong, but I don't want it to go too far that it can be used as a method of control for personal freedoms.

Think about it. If you marry national ID's and on-star technology and put it as a chip implant you have a viable mark of the beast. Now they know where you are at all times, and you can't buy without it. When this "mark" was talked about in the time of the Apostles it was pure fantasy. Even Rome in all it's splendor and terrible control couldn't control to this degree. Now, however, it's very feasible. We actually have the technology and ability to do it.

Now, I'm not much for conspiresy theories per se, but I do believe the Scriptures, and I see things as moving towards the time of Jacob's troubles and the rise of the antichrist, beast, & false prophet as shown in Scripture. Anyway, just some food for thought! :think: :)

[saved]

Originally posted by me again
I do not understand this statement:The Coalition to Repeal the Fingerprints Law, a Georgia grassroots movement, is trying to rid the state of the new requirement to give digital fingerprints in order to obtain a state ID or driver's license. source (http://www.jubilee-newspaper.com/id_card_95.htm)Why don't people want to surrender their fingerprints? Fingerprints are one of the few biometric ways that we can fight identity fraud. We catch many criminals by having their fingerprints on file. Without fingerprints, it would be much easier for criminals to prey upon the public. :no:

I just don't understand what it is that a minority of people are fearing. :doh:

me again
because a free people should not have to surrender anything to keep tabs on them. If someone is booked for a crime that is one thing, but to require everyone to offer up a finger print is an evasion of privacy. For those who want to do it on a voluntary bases that's fine, but no one should be required to give a fingerprint unless they are being charged with a crime. I have no problem with fingerprinting everyone who enters this country for a visit or stay, but not the citizens who reside here.

[me again]

Posted by saved
because a free people should not have to surrender anything to keep tabs on them. If someone is booked for a crime that is one thing, but to require everyone to offer up a finger print is an evasion of privacy. For those who want to do it on a voluntary bases that's fine, but no one should be required to give a fingerprint unless they are being charged with a crime. I have no problem with fingerprinting everyone who enters this country for a visit or stay, but not the citizens who reside here. As you may know, many banks now require a thumbprint before they will cash a check. If the check bounces, then we know who cashed the check, even if they gave a false name with a fake ID card. We have a listing of most of the thumbprints of past and present government workers, along with those who've been arrested. Questions: Is the banks requirement of a thumbprint a violation of any sort?

Is the ability of the police to match these thumbprints to a database a violation of any sort?:think:

[saved]

Originally posted by me again
As you may know, many banks now require a thumbprint before they will cash a check. If the check bounces, then we know who cashed the check, even if they gave a false name with a fake ID card. We have a listing of most of the thumbprints of past and present government workers, along with those who've been arrested. Questions: Is the banks requirement of a thumbprint a violation of any sort?

Is the ability of the police to match these thumbprints to a database a violation of any sort?:think:

The original question was, "Do you support a National ID card?"

The answer is still NO!

[Little Lamb]

I agree with saved. I'm finding I agree a lot with saved. This person is my type of person. :cheer:

[Zaph]

Me again, you said I just don't understand what it is that a minority of people are fearing.
I don't think it is a question of fear. As it is the ability to keep thier privacy. I have nothing to hide. A christian's life should be transparent with nothing to hide. However, that is not the point. The point is that my finger prints are not "their" business in the first place. It use to be that only people who broke the law got finger-printed. Please don't treat me a like a criminal in order to catch criminals.

[me again]

We already have the necessary infrastructure in place to support a national database for ID cards. :eek:

[Zaph]

I have no doubt what you say is true. I also have no doubt that we will in the near future be forced to do the national ID card thing.

I also believe that a terrorist will strike again and the government will claim that they have to clamp down even harder on the innocent population just because of a few idiots (terrorists).

While we are are at it why not require us to show this national ID card to cross state lines or when we leave the city we live in?

Or maybe the government could hire 1 in 5 of the people on your street to keep an eye open for "suspicous" activity on your neighborhood and turn their neighbors in when things don't look just right.?

People usually live up to the expectations that are placed on them. The more you treat the innocent like criminals the more they will act like criminals.

1Pe 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
1Pe 2:14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
1Pe 2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
1Pe 2:16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
1Pe 2:17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

Because of these verses I will go along with the national ID card thing when it comes. I will even show my "papers" to cross state lines. However, my submission stops when the laws require me to go against the Word of God.