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Eveningstar

11-03-2003, 07:33 AM

Eze 13:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD;
Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!
O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.
Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.
They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made [others] to hope that they would confirm the word.
Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith [it]; albeit I have not spoken?
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I [am] against you, saith the Lord GOD.
And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I [am] the Lord GOD.
Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and [there was] no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered [morter]:
Say unto them which daub [it] with untempered [morter], that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend [it].
Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where [is] the daubing wherewith ye have daubed [it]?
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend [it] with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in [my] fury to consume [it].
So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered [morter], and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.
Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered [morter], and will say unto you, The wall [is] no [more], neither they that daubed it;
[To wit], the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and [there is] no peace, saith the Lord GOD.
Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them,
And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the [women] that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive [that come] unto you?
And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear [your] lies?
Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I [am] against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make [them] fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, [even] the souls that ye hunt to make [them] fly.
Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.
Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.

Eveningstar

11-03-2003, 06:03 PM

"Dear Mr. E,
President Bush said last Tuesday that the controversial General William Boykin "doesn't reflect my point of view or the view of this administration."

If you have not signed the petition to President Bush in support of General Boykin, please add your signature now.

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Bush's comments came just hours before he hosted a Ramadan dinner with US Islamic leaders, as the White House was besieged with demands to fire an army general whom made comments some say makes the US-led war on terror out to be a war on Islam.

The General said in a speech to a Christian prayer group in June that radical Muslims hate the United States "because we're a Christian nation, because our foundation and roots are Judeo-Christian and the enemy is a guy named Satan."

Bush invited Muslim leaders to an Iftar, the evening feast that breaks the dawn-to-dusk fast Muslims observe during the month of Ramadan. He organized the first White House Iftar after bin Laden and al-Qaeda launched the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington.

"America is a land of many faiths and we honor, and welcome and value the Muslim faith," Bush said in opening remarks before the meal.

"The obvious response to the Boykin case is to say that because he is now under-secretary of defense for intelligence, he should be relieved of his post," The Washington Post said in an editorial last Tuesday.

Will President Bush and Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld succumb to the pressure to remove General Boykin from office? If so, who will stand up to defend him? I am reminded once again of the words of Martin Niemoller:

They came first for the Communists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me--and by that time no one was left to speak up.
Please speak up now by sharing the letter of support for General Boykin with your friends.

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Let's keep it going around the world. The silent majority needs to stand up and be counted, otherwise anti-Semitic liberals, leftists and liars who despise Christians will hang this good man on a proverbial cross!

Michael D. Evans"

Eveningstar

11-03-2003, 07:33 PM

"The message here is plain enough: The enlightened elites must stamp out the Christian faith, lest it anger the hijackers of Islam. The Boykin incident has all the makings of a modern Dreyfus case, the cashiering of a decorated military officer to appease bigots who are offended by his religious faith. The message will be loud and clear to the men in the ranks, many of whom share Gen. Boykin's faith and who bear a burden the chickenhawks in Washington, who dodged America's earlier wars, cannot begin to understand. Those who wish the commander in chief well must pray that he understands, and does his duty." --Wesley Pruden

Eveningstar

11-14-2003, 06:42 PM

Most men and women are righteous...I'm going way out on a limb at a stretch here! But I really believe that most people if given the opportunity, would choose righteousness to different limits or extremes, and I believe they have in their own imaginations and actions however misconceived or erring.
Whatever your cause or issue, most wish to do the right thing, to make their mark in a lasting way, but given the choices offered by the powers that be, the limitations set upon us by swine in power, the total unwillingness and fear in our leaders hearts and minds, what choice does the righteous man or woman have but criminal activity and utter devotion to beating whatever enemy there is standing in their way at any given moment? The true Leader, therefore, must be Christ, who allowed these powers to crucify him for the sake of the Truth and All involved. But it's the most impossible leadership to follow if you don't understand it. There are so many options for Our country in Christ, and so few, none, without, yet most including those who claim Christ are doing everything they can in opposition to His Will.
It's Madness and it's weak and depressing and isolating and imprisoning.
We are debtors, not free men. The idea of a free country is insane at this point.
The more we are shown to be damned the more we claim to be on our way somewhere. Deliverance is not right around the corner, hell is. Rapture is not right around the corner, suffering is. Must we always and forever be brought to our knees in suffering before we admit we're a bunch of nincompoops?
I'll remind folks now that the Bush administration, not little George, but Daddy George funded the war mongers, both Sadam and Bin Laden, who consequently "attacked" the US when their funding and hopes were cut off. And now the same Administration blames the Clinton administration for the whole fiasco. Clinton is a back handed bastard, no doubt but he's no worse or better than Bush. 9/11 was constructed, and now the aim is to rebuild Iraq and govern it while the US falls apart from within, families fall apart, children run wild in the streets, lacking the basic foundation to fulfill their basic needs our constitution promises them and every vice known to man and many new ones are sold readily over the Internet and other media to a generation of rotting children.
Satan IS the enemy and Bush and our leaders will not go to war against him, because if they did, they might have to write their own script, and everyone would know what a bunch of morons they are. They have not a sound bone within the lot of their mass of useless frames, and that is why wrong judgment proceeds from the whore on a daily basis.
This country must throw off this current reign of stupidity and put on the Lord at once or we will go to our grave with a general sense of discontent, coupled with ennui and sprinkled with a healthy dose of self-loathing and ineptitude that comes from a moronic pride that never made sense in the first place, from day one.
The foundation of this country is humility and service in God, not ape-ish pride and idol worship.
We need a national swift kick in the butt day, and a destruction of every national holiday this country ever dreamed up, including the pagan holidays of Christmas, Easter, Halloween, etc.
Who the hell do we think we are? We're lowlifes, running scared.
America, I beg of you, get over yourselves and stop being scared monkeys. Be brave men and women of Our Lord and Saviour and save this nation from Us.

Eveningstar

11-15-2003, 08:01 AM

I have found that, by and large, anyone the media portrays and subsequently, popular opinion affirms as a hero or "man of the people," is usually the exact opposite - A liar, thief, murderer, and villain of the most staggering proportions and an affront to all who have invested time, blood, guts, sweat and tears in this nation. This must and indeed, does mean that anyone portrayed and confirmed as a villain must, in all reality be the Hero. Which means, we as a nation are full up and brimming over with heroes who have bought into a HUGE lie that those governing our nation are knowingly allowing the media, et al to sell. And their act of cleaning up this mess they've knowingly created is a worse insult than the first. Do they deserve our mercy? Yes. Do they deserve out trust or ear? No, no, and absolutely not. They do not deserve to speak unless spoken to. They do not deserve to act unless instructed by their children as to what and how they ought to go about acting. And these children must be instructed by Our Lord, Christ and no other. The Lord is where our leader's authority has come from throughout our history and the leaders have always and forever gradually betrayed this authority and perverted it to an extent that cannot be forgiven without their blood being spilt or at the very least, their imprisonment and forced labor. This is what they have reaped from many an unwitting soul for centuries in His Name. Burdening the innocent with a heavy yoke of servitude and damning the soul with sin whilst it works to preserve their egomaniacal nation of beastial authority.
This ends now, today and henceforth forevermore. The youth of tomorrow will rule in purity and holiness of body, mind and soul, and those who will not turn and repent will fall into slavery and hard labor at the will of these few blessed souls. There will be no argument accepted from those who oppose the Will of the Lord. We will turn a deaf ear to every man, woman and child who does not claim Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour. One must bring into action a Godly order of being. Their will be no more speaking or offering of praise that seeks to carry out any agenda but that of the Lord. We will cast upon them heavy burdens fit for animals, or repulse them from our presence. They will not stand in the House of the Lord. They will have their rights revoked and their possessions denied them. Yet, let the meek and the lame and the ignorant and the penitent soul return from the uttermost reaches of Creation and eat and drink his fill, and enjoy freedom and righteousness to the extreme.
By and large, people don't want to understand God for who He really is. They do not want the love, mercy and forgiveness that will follow following Him. They don't want Him to be as personal as a friend and neighbor. They want the drama and the parasitic right to run other people's lives through claiming God's Authority, or worse, claiming God has no Authority.
Anyone who claims to be poor and needy in this country must be considered an outright liar or vicious sinner. Any government that does not supply its people's needs simply because they need them, is not of God. Any government that demands its people labor for their freedoms and needs is not of God.
Anyone who claims old age and sickness are the result of anything but sin, is a liar.
Anyone who claims that running cars, heating homes and otherwise using ancient methods to do so, such as burning fossil fuels, wood, oil, gasoline, coal, etc., without taking advantage of modern methods to ensure that they do not pollute our children's bodies is a murderer.
One ought to cease carrying on ALL traditions and treat everyday as Holy and as cause for celebration.
Let each generation create what they may. Clinging to tradition and ethnic pride causes separation and strife. Tradition can murder or retard creative energy. The Divine cannot be fenced in or caged, and if we are to remain free people, enjoying His Liberty, we must not even attempt to label the Christ as anything but The Christ.
There is nothing noble about tradition. It creates drama. It's nice to feel the warmth, security, remembrance and fellowship that traditional values invoke, but too often it ends in bitterness and people being left out in the cold, and a very real need to forget rather than remember. It often forces people to be who they are not, as well.
Just because one acts good and loving, does not make them so. Likewise, just because one is good and sees things in a loving way does not make the things one is observing good or loving. Feigned goodness is worse than evil and often justifys the use of evil force.
Bad people create seemingly "good" things, or act good and loving with a virtuosity that can more often than not go undetected by the trusting eye, in order to steal or ensnare another's innocence, goodness, love, and life, to use it for their own calculated though errant agenda. An example of seemingly "good" things might be the institutionalization of the Pagan holidays of Christmas, Easter, Halloween, etc. If we were a righteous people, God's Holy Days and Feasts would be institutionlized among us. And we should be able to celebrate these in any way we please, according to our familial/tribal understanding of God. Aside from the actual ceremonies that are commanded to take place within the Temple. But even these become legalistic and meaningless in the hands of men. It is best to have as much freedom in worship as possible but not in obedience.
Test the spirits.
The Antichrist is not one specific being but the opposite of God, Life and Love. Or death, non-being, the absence of love, life, warmth and Light. "Evil" people will do ANYTHING to get what they NEED.
Therefore anyone who partakes in sin and rejects the Way or Life, is, quote, unquote the "AntiChrist."
The AntiChrist's "god" is whom you are to fear, for it/he can ruin you beyond hope.
If not for Godly People, the sinners of the world would have no "lifestyle" to claim. There would be no established communities for them to mock, pervert or tear down.
Ungrateful grubs.
Why should those who have fought and died for our freedoms in God, for God, for themselves and their children exhibit any form of tolerance whatsoever except for sin of need and/or mercy.
The wicked police the wicked and so must be permitted their dens of iniquity, but these dens must not, in no way, be permitted within the House of the Lord or within the homes of the Godly.
Expel all family members who do not turn back to the Lord. Forbid all judges to pass laws that do not respect the Oracles of God. Show no mercy where none is deserved. Reject (smite?) ALL men, women and children who claim any other God or Way than that of the Lord, God of Israel.
Be merciful with ALL who do claim Him.
When dealing with your own, be exceedingly just, humble, kind, gracious, patient, forgiving and understanding. Be the same with the stranger who has come to join us.
Be exceedingly hateful and intolerant of ALL who wish to do their own will or to influence us in any way that does not adhere to Scripture. Hate any of your own who wish to do the same and oppose themselves. Mayhap, they will see, or better yet, feel the error of their ways and turn back to seek your and His forgiveness.
If your brother is your brother, he will want what is best for you and that is the Lord.
Salvation is your agreement with God and your fellows to be a better person than you have been and to strive with the Spirit that remains in you and in the world, never against It. It is as easy and as hard as being yourself in Him. It used to come naturally, now that we have been living in sin for so long and perceive sin as normal it is harder but by no means impossible.
That is the treachery of sin. It makes you feel uplifted for a time, as if you are a better person in perversity and guile, but in the end, it is just eating you up and leaving you with less of you to enjoy with the world or yourself.

2Ch 6:23 Then hear thou from heaven, and do, and judge thy servants, by requiting the wicked, by recompensing his way upon his own head; and by justifying the righteous, by giving him according to his righteousness.

Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue [that] shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This [is] the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness [is] of me, saith the LORD.

Rom 6:16-23 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things [is] death. For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Amen

Eveningstar

11-15-2003, 08:49 AM

"Death stands at attention, obedient, expectant, ready to serve, ready to shear away the peoples en masse; ready, if called on, to pulverize, without hope of repair, what is left of civilization. He awaits only the word of command. He awaits it from a frail, bewildered being, long his victim, now-for one occasion only-his Master."
~Winston Churchill

Eveningstar

11-15-2003, 10:04 AM

'Decades after the birth of the atomic age, wars are still raging around our world, and "death" still stands at attention. The great battle of Armageddon hasn't yet broken out. But the Bible tells us, its coming. It's going to break out just before Jesus returns to earth. Revelation 15 and 16 show us how Amageddon fits into the last-day events as one of the seven last plagues.
Revelation 14:6-13 portrays the final messages of the three angels that are being proclaimed right now in these last-days of earth's history. These messages are given before the "mark of the beast" and the "seal of God" are given. Once the three angels' messages have been proclaimed to all the world, humanity will face a big decision. Everyone must decide between following God and the Bible completely or following a belief system based on human traditions in addition to the Bible. After earth's inhabitants have decided whom they will follow, something tragic happens to those who reject God. The third angel's message (vss. 9-13) tells us that those who receive the mark of the beast will receive the last plagues. They "drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation" (verse 10).
God loves us and cares for us. Even though at times vivid warnings of calamity and judgment must be given, the bottom line is always: God wants to be our Friend. He has chosen to be honest; He won't cover up unpleasant facts, but above all, God wants us to understand there is great joy and peace in being His children. So, before He gives us details about the seven plagues and the destruction they bring, God pauses again to remind us that He is a God of love. There is no need to be afraid of Him. Ultimately, sin and its results must be eradicated. God wants to end suffering. God doesn't want the pain of broken relationships to go on. God doesn't want the agony of cancer and AIDS to go on. God doesn't want the grief of losing a loved one to go on. Sin must end. But it must end in a certain way. God wants to teach the whole universe something important by the way He puts an end to sin. Everyone must understand how destructive and tragic sin really is. Created beings must see that when God withdraws His protective hand the results are terrible. After the seven plagues are unleashed, no one will ever want sin to exist again. Out of love and compassion, God says, "Okay, it is time to expose sin at its ugliest and wrap up the problems of planet earth."
During the the last days of earth, the whole world will become a vast battlefield as the wicked attempt to destroy God's people.
The great controversy that began when sin first entered the world is now coming to a climax.
Satan wants you to believe God is the enemy. He has always tried to confuse and deceive God's people with conterfeits. [Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing.]
God is there for us in the darkest hour. He will keep us in His sheltering arms. "I will be with you in trouble...and will show him my salvation." (Psalm 91)
Remember that in Jesus you are safe from plagues. Though times will be difficult, you can rest in His sheltering arms. R.A. Anderson tells of a farmer who returned to his farm one day to find that his house and barn had burned to the ground. The man couldn't help weeping as he looked over the charred ruins and realized he had lost all his possessions. But something caught his eye as he came to the chicken coop. He spotted a mound of charred feathers. It was the body of a hen. He idly nudged it with his boot. To his amazement four fluffy baby chicks came out scampering and chirping. This mother hen had stayed there with her chicks safely buried beneath her as the fire raged. In the ruins of his farm this man had seen a remarkable picture of sacrificial love. I am thankful that Jesus has the kind of love that will cover us as the final fire rages. I am thankful for the scene of exultant worship in Revelation 15 that precedes the seven plagues.
Revelation 15:3
"And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous [are] thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true [are] thy ways, thou King of saints. "

Right now won't you make your decision to be there with that joyous group? Won't you make the decision to follow Jesus?

Father, I accept You as my Lord and Saviour right now. I ask You to forgive my sins and accept me as your child. Help me to live for You everyday. Thank you, in Jesus' name. Amen. '

from a Discover Bible study course.

Eveningstar

11-15-2003, 12:34 PM

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Eveningstar

11-16-2003, 05:33 PM

Still no Cure for Cancer

Here in the "PigDog" Nation of America, Satan is using the whole 9/11 "whitewash" to further frustrate any reconicliation of God's People in Amercia and abroad.
Out of fear and a false sense of honor and pride (which we've never had a right to since the Fall) most Americans will gladly line up behind the liars/heroes made of 9/11. And it is because a great number of them really are heroes who reacted to a seemingly honorable call to defend a seemingly righteous nation. But righteousness does not compromise and this was a compromise.

Ecclesiastes 10:9-10
Whoever quarries stones may be injured by them; whoever splits logs may be endangered by them.
If the ax is dull and its edge unsharpened, more strength is needed but skill will bring success. (NIV)

It makes me so angry to see how foolish men's hearts become outside of the Word of God and how remarkably senseless the result of all their efforts become apart from Him.
We suceeded in nothing more than giving the Whore a facelift. She didn't even have to pay for it. Our senseless pride moved us to waste our God given strength on rebuilding/cleaning up the ruins of 9/11 concentrating more abroad then at home, but here at home we helped her build an evil disneyworld like playground, that everyone knows sprang from whorehouses and rancid porn shops and bars and stripjoints that were, if truth be told more righteous than what they have been replaced with. Evil hidden or maliciousness masked is much more destructive than evil in plain view. It rots at the core, yet looks as though it is healthy.

Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and of all uncleanness.

To the everlasting shame of the Saints of God, the Evil one has learned more and done more with Scripture than all the Saints combined.

The "heroes" didn't even see or did see that they were made heroes in Satan and their heroic strength if not already so, will be sapped from them and they will be slaves to a Lie, without the freedom of choice that this country supposedly is all about. It wasn't a brilliant plan. It was not even very costly, and the Whore has plenty of funds. The RatPack is good for nothing if not hoarding riches. She tweaks people's hearts and then laughs when they react and leaves them cold and empty.
After it happened, I wanted to slap every American who raised the flag of these Dishonorable States of Sinners. But I also wanted every American to know that I stood ready to defend their Right to Freedom from this madness. That I still loved the USA and Her heart. That I really want success for Her People and Health and Righteousness and Wisdom in Abundance for Her Children.

continued...

Eveningstar

11-16-2003, 05:48 PM

Pro 12:26 The righteous [is] more excellent than his neighbour: but the way of the wicked seduceth them.

We, as Americans, desperately needed something to wake us to our idiocy in policy and iniquity/inequity in judgment. I really wanted to see people killing people. But not Americans fighting some foreign "power." As if a bunch of "sand-people" with cheap second hand rifles America sold them could fight against the technology and sheer force of the American Army/Navy/Air Force/Marines! Please, but we needed blood, not oil. And we went and got it, because we were not very comfortable eating our own. Heck, we still wanted to be able to celebrate Easter and Christmas with tunes and drinks and the wonderful pageants and shopping madness, that the PigDog Nation has a vested interest in/right to. Have we bit off more than we can chew? No. We simply know someone has to get away with bloody murder, and we beat Germany for the right to be those Bloody Murderers.Don't mess with us.

Morm. 5: 24 Therefore, repent ye, and humble yourselves before him, lest he shall come out in justice against you—lest a remnant of the seed of Jacob shall go forth among you as a lion, and tear you in pieces, and there is none to deliver.

Now, all the above may seem the rant of a madman if it did not sting with Truth the very hearts of Americans. We are a sadly noble race, and we have a very real and noble love at the core, and most of us would give anything to be made right and to fulfill the Dream. Bloody Jesus messes up everything, because we realize that He can fulfill the Dream we boast of emptily, because we Americans always take the easy way. We're lazy PigDogs, what do you expect. We love Jesus and we love the Dream but we have not the faith of Jesus and we have not the patience and we're already dealing with a zillion and one different obstacles and problems that we ourselves place in our paths, so that we cannot even see The Path/Way anymore. Keep your Faith far from us! we can't see any practical way to use it in our day to day struggles and when we can't get what we want Satan usually delivers what we need.
What Americans didn't see coming was the loss of even this hope. Satan is going to reneg on giving us what we need in our selfish state of slumber and the poor are going to multiply while the fierce and evil are going to get bloody and dine on the poor and wretched among us.

Hab 3:14 Thou didst strike through with his staves the head of his villages: they came out as a whirlwind to scatter me: their rejoicing [was] as to devour the poor secretly.

All the while, frightened hoardes of God's children will do their best to devote every last drop of strength to a false "Christians Social Movement" that will drain their resources and buy their fidelity/loyalty. It's not Honest and God is. It's the best we think we can do, but He wants more, and Satan will take whatever he can get and turn it to his advantage one way or another.
Legions upon legions await nothing more than a job and a meal, and Satan is ushering in sacrificial lambs for the slaughter.
Again:

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Stand firm in Him else lose all.

Hbr 3:6-11 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in [their] heart; and they have not known my ways.
So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Yes, it can seem boring, and lonely and hard, but that is what we are called to. And worse is fellowship in sin for a season with eternal damnation to follow. Saints have it not easy and there is no honor for them in this world. His people are hated and despised in this world, that's why you can tell that all the efforts of the "Christian Social Movement" is by Pseudo Christians.
If you have any way of fulfilling Deut 15:11, "For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land."
by all means, do so, but don't compromise Him for the sake of one loaf of bread.

Mat 4:4 It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Because Satan too wants to fulfill the Deut. 15:11 scripture as long as the bread we are buying are stones that will sink us, and the fish, asps, that will damn us.

How will "Saints peserve us" if they are not brimming over with youthful, healthy Godlike energy?

Satan knows they wont. Again the Holy Spirit is NOT holy crap.

Be wise.

Ecc 10:16-17 Woe to thee, O land, when thy king [is] a child, and thy princes eat in the morning!
Blessed [art] thou, O land, when thy king [is] the son of nobles, and thy princes eat in due season, for strength, and not for drunkenness!

Ecc 11:1 Cast thy bread upon the waters: for thou shalt find it after many days.

1Jo 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Be wise for satan wants to devour you whole...wolves love sheep, and sheep and sheep...throw them one, they'll be back for another and another...convert the wolf and you'll save the sheep. Convert the PigDog and you'll have the resources with which to fend off the wolves who will not convert.

Remember:

Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to [execute] wrath upon him that doeth evil.

He is duty bound. Be humble followers of Christ. not superstars for Christ. Be nobodies who are glorified in heaven not on earth. Repent for real, else...

Morm. 2: 13 But behold this my joy was vain, for their sorrowing was not unto repentance, because of the goodness of God; but it was rather the sorrowing of the damned, because the Lord would not always suffer them to take happiness in sin.

Be ye rather peculiar and zealous...

Tts 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Saints, how to endure...calmly and in constant fellowship.

Ecclesiastes 10:4
If a ruler's anger rises against you, do not leave your post; calmness can lay great errors to rest.

Have fun when you can, laugh and commiserate together. But become right/noble minded and do not budge an inch or compromise a single virtue. This is no time for selfishness , this is the end times.
Remember why Christ was made manifest. That he might destroy the works of the devil.

1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Remember upon whom you trust and why it is difficult to do so and why no one is innocent or guilty.

Hab 2:4 Behold, his soul [which] is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Hbr 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if [any man] draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

Patient endurance...

Jam 5:8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

You children in Christ, how do you expect to help your dying parents if you lack the health and strength yourselves? How do you intend to help your brothers and sisters avoid sin if you do not avoid it yourselves? See sin for what it is-stupid, a waste of time and energy. Learn to laugh out loud at sin and sinners. It's okay, you've nothing to fear. Sinners are well aware of how dumb their choice is and maybe an understanding laugh will bring them out of that way. As long as deep down you really do love and care for them, they can't do anything but admit their folly, and YOU have just saved a brother or sister whom you a moment ago swore was untouchable.

By Jove! Then you are all truly under Grace and no longer under the Law!

Jhn 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Sin is truly funny in a depressing way. And sinners need uplifting. But don't place yourself in jeopardy if you are not strong in Him.

continued...

Eveningstar

11-16-2003, 08:20 PM

Do you know why people are attracted to sin/evil in our culture/society?
Because that which is "good" lacks truth.
People are intelligent and need to feed and grow intellectually as well as emotionally.
They need to grow in Truth, or they'll rot in falsehood.
God's people are relearning how to be Truthful rather than "good."

Eveningstar

11-16-2003, 08:42 PM

And just how will the "PigDog" change?

Leave it to God. And judge no man.

Act 10:9-28 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
And the voice [spake] unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common.
This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.
While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.
Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what [is] the cause wherefore ye are come?
And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.
Then called he them in, and lodged [them]. And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him.
And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and had called together his kinsmen and near friends.
And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped [him].
But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.
And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Eveningstar

11-17-2003, 10:00 AM

Mar 5:1-20 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
Who had [his] dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any [man] tame him.
And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
For he said unto him, Come out of the man, [thou] unclean spirit.
And he asked him, What [is] thy name? And he answered, saying, My name [is] Legion: for we are many.
And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.
Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand) and were choked in the sea.
And they that fed the swine fled, and told [it] in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done.
And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
And they that saw [it] told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil, and [also] concerning the swine.
And they began to pray him to depart out of their coasts.
And when he was come into the ship, he that had been possessed with the devil prayed him that he might be with him.
Howbeit Jesus suffered him not, but saith unto him, Go home to thy friends, and tell them how great things the Lord hath done for thee, and hath had compassion on thee.
And he departed, and began to publish in Decapolis how great things Jesus had done for him: and all [men] did marvel

Eveningstar

11-17-2003, 11:25 AM

"In a time when a single American atheist can get the Supreme Court to consider his demand that the words 'under God' be removed from the Pledge of Allegiance, the rest of us must pray that his lawsuit fails. An Alabama judge whose Ten Commandments monument offended someone has been censured. A U.S. Army lieutenant general who told people he was proud to be a Christian had to promise to keep that to himself. The message is clear -- if you believe in God, for God's sake, keep it to yourself!" --Alan Caruba

Eveningstar

11-17-2003, 04:45 PM

Isaiah 11:1-16

And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.
But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.
And the LORD shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.
And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

Little Lamb

11-17-2003, 06:08 PM

This thread has been all yours up until now. No one has posted in it except me. This is my first post in this thread.

Eveningstar

11-19-2003, 09:42 PM

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Eveningstar

11-19-2003, 11:18 PM

The AntiChrist used impish kids to lure Catholic Priests (else used impish Catholic priests themselves) into acts of sodomy and pedophile perversions. A Church that is owned by Satan but bears Christ's name is condemned, and thus Christ Himself and His Message is condemned at least subconsciously. The seed of distrust is placed in the minds of men. Children are abused daily and often willingly (after all, abuse is better than being ignored) all over the world, yet these few cases somehow find their way to the forefront of every news publication and television broadcast available. It's beetleheaded to believe anything the media sells as true journalism and news.
Meanwhile, the "war on terror" rages on in no particular direction, though the devil certainly has a good idea of what direction he wishes it to go in. The more chaotic, the better. The US just seeks and destroys perceived "threats." Kingdoms set up with American funding are destroyed for acts of "treason." Liberal minded yo-yo's are allowed to sin disasterously wolrdwide. All to become fuel for the Fire. No way out for them now. Must serve the Beast or become dinner themselves. Body and soul now belong to the Evil One. No one can disobey, no wills are free any longer, yet everyone wears a facade of bravado and animalistic rage wherever they go to ward off contempt and excommunication. Circus of iniquity and mockery emerges from a perverse generation of young minds molded in neglect and sin, growing worse by the moment. Pastors, priests, bishops, etc. all trying to fulfill any will and agenda but God's. Betrayal like never before in the history of the world in and for all walks of life.
Hope. By looking at sin and transforming it with the innocent loving Eye of God, you do not cancel it out, nor do you sin by partaking in its lust or ways, but you transform whatever you witness into whom or what it actually is. It simply loses its mask of evil. Such a circumstance makes both the Saint and sinner uncomfortable but also helps each to overcome and become.
On the one hand, the Saint will overcome any prejudice of sinners. On the other hand, the sinner will see the inate folly and ridiculousness of the sin itself when it is nothing more than a child with his hand in the cookie jar. The sinner is no longer fed by condemnation or spurred to further rebellion. The Saint is humbled by losing all sense of pride in his/her office and by the experience of mutual exaltation, exalting one he thought was inferior to sainthood in an instant of angelic clarification, through God's all sufficient Love. Now equal, both may strive together to achieve an exalted society from one otherwise condemned to annihilation.
Somehow what we got from two perfect beings running around naked in a perfect Garden, is our current reality, and I for one cannot fathom the amount of militantly willfull ignorance that is poured into this scenario!
Every perversion there is becomes truly laughable when looked at through innocent, understanding, nonjudgmental eyes of a child. If one can just achieve that kind of humility, one will know what true strength is, and whatever one may have done, no matter how depraved or sinful, becomes really no more than temporary insanity, an accident or error in judgment. Condemnation brings defensiveness that leads to further sin, folly and rebellion. Forgiveness moves to understanding and heals.
Swine are still going to buck and snort but it may ask for no more than a sty full of mud and garbage in which to dwell, and we need not even visit its sty. Then out of sheer loneliness and an awakened realization of why and wherefore it became swine, it may be urged to become clean.
Instead of treating sin as an idiotic, childish error, we've turned it into such an absurd issue that the Church is more dependent on its reality than sinners themselves.

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Eveningstar

11-23-2003, 08:36 AM

As for toughness, men learned to be tough, it's coarse circumstantial conditioning because of the real fact that there was no one there for them to depend upon when they fell but themselves in some circles of our society except the Church which they had no education nor want to understand. These men are going to be difficult to convert because they cannot survive in their reality and accept mercy from a loving God. Let down their guard for a moment and some ancient enemy will take advantage of the opportunity to harm them. They need God now more than ever and He is being denied them by the very society they work to keep afloat. This society governed in iniquity and inequity disallows any route of reconciliation and mercy unless it's a counterfeit act of charity and benevolence that has no real source or object. They glory in serving a jester and liar because he ensures that their enemies and other innocent victims will eventually feel the betrayal and hardness that they endure everyday. They have no sense of duty to the innocent because they think they were once innocent and no one was there for them, but Christ was and they were unwilling and unable to come to Him and therefore give the antichrist the right to enslave them. It's weak and childish but masked with a beastial strength and cunning seems like something almost authentic in strength, but its very lifeblood is not its own, but that stolen from Saints and innocent lambs stolen by wolves in sheep's clothing.

Authentic Manhood is impossible. An authentic war is impossible.
Because we are governed in falsehood by flimflam men in high office we cannot even experience an authentic realm of sports or games, everything is bought and sold and "fixed" before it evben happens, but it's not prophetic but pathetic.

There is no real test of a man's will and strength unless one moves into the absurd and insane and then one is handicapped by loss of real authentic Self.

To control chaos, one must go to the root of the problem and heal at the heart of the matter. Then your enemy is not so much "evil chaos" but laughable mistakes turned into something outrageous by the world's condemnation instead of the world's understanding and forgiveness. Therefore, the church throughout the ages is the guilty party more often than the sinner.
But nowadays the sinner is just as or more guilty for condemning the church at Its Heart and Head rather than at what condemned them which was falsehood and misrepresentation. Both sides lacked and do lack the integrity and patience necessary to work at reconciliation. Meanwhile Christ is slowly and irreversably torn to pieces and crucified anew and afresh everyday in every way because both the antichrist and those who claim to be for Christ oppose Him. Authentic Christianity is almost impossible unless one steps outside oneself and outside the church of the world, and looks at it from a clear and nonjudgmental viewpoint in Christ, an impossibilty if you're laden with worldly duty and debt, which is what the antichrist is sure it will have everyone enslaved in.

continued...(I'm late for church:yikes: )

Eveningstar

11-23-2003, 06:19 PM

Jews, as the Chosen, suffer from an incredible amount of guilt. Largely because they cannot do what they preach, even the most righteous among us fails in some point to meet the celestial standard of perfection. They fail to understand their priesthood in that it exists to point others to the Saviour, and God is not going to allow any other sacrifice but Christ and Christ alone. Thus the need of a Saviour, and a truthful witness to teach about the Messiah. In the OT He is taught about in the least likely places, and in the NT when He is revealed, few believe and even fewer overcome with him. Here He is do as He says, walk with him as he walks, live with him. The best they could do was to lay snares and stumbling blocks and lure him into betraying himself.
Not only could they not suffer to live with him, they could not suffer him to live, they took away his right to live his life because they had no interest in life. I don't care what you do or what you've done, to deny Christ seems the ultimate crime against yourself, your brethren, and your world. And as you read the Gospels, you see that a lot of people denied Him to His face.
What kind of insanity is that?!! It's one thing to deny him when you have not seen or heard, but to be standing face to face with him and saying "You don't exist, I don't believe." is an act so lowly, it's unforgivable, and yet He forgives it.
Paul seems to me the only guide active sinners can trust. Matt, Mark and Luke told you what happened, John told you who He is and Paul told you how to come back from the grave.
Not only do people hate a lamb who would NEVER harm them, they relish in harming him or tricking him into harming himself. I cannot but say that even the most Saintly lived life that would ultimately betray Christ for personal gain or any reason, is the worst sinner alive. Many want to sit not only next to him on his throne , they want the throne itself, and Jesus doesn't want it at all...Jesus wants each and everyone of us enthroned on his own throne because they were willing to love him as they loved themselves and God who created them.
As I was saying, Paul is the only guide one can trust after a certain point. He seems to be the first annointed "sightless" seer. Lots of Pharisees were blind but unwilling to admit to it, Paul says outright, I'm a sinner, I'm dead and blind, the life I live now is because if Christ. "We live by Faith and not by sight." Paul was willing to sacrifice all honor and suffer people to mock him to his grave if he could warn even one "lamb" and teach him about Christ.
As a new creation in Christ, if you are willing to renounce your former self and ways and have Faith and follow Jesus, not Paul, the life you live will be in Him, this is the Only Tender Mercy offered sinners but it reaps so many tender mercies that they number beyond infinity and they are ALWAYS yours. None can take that from you, even if they kill you, He is still yours. Think about it, there were a lot of righteous men living when Paul preached the Gospel for Christ, why did Christ not choose any of them? Why choose the worst sinner alive? The "Chief of Sinners?" BECAUSE God can raise the DEAD, and WANTS and WILL SAVE ALL. Nothing will stop Him from doing so. God looks at your Heart, He knows exactly what your intentions are before you even preceive what your thoughts or intentions are...we make mistakes, we go too far...We try to sit in His seat, use him to get what we want, because we know we can. It's betrayal of the worst sort.
The Truth is , if you want to become someone live this:

Jhn 3:30 He must increase, but I [must] decrease.

Moses held on to his office for as long as he could because he and the LORD knew the first thing the people would do and were already doing would be to betray Him and their children and their children's children etc...
So, again, here's Paul who is a murderer, sinner and betrayer of Our Lord, saying I've found Salvation through and in Christ and there is none other~repent and believe in the Gospel. You will be "happy" and righteous and made clean (inwardly!) at the resurrection while others will remain "filthy" and miserable and self-condemned. Think about it! ALL who believe in Christ and have TRULY repented are going to be made INWARDLY clean! Fathom the righteousness of this gift at this point in time. HOw many suffer from disease and how many will be made "clean" in an instant.
Paul did what the blind Pharisees were too niggardly to do. He ADMITTED to being blind! And the Lord gifted him with SIGHT. He did the righteous thing, he tried to build up the coming generation in Truth. To warn them as the prophets and Christ had.

Mat 3:7-12 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:
Whose fan [is] in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Paul admitted to all his weaknesses and sins and thus was made strong in Christ. There was no ill-intent in his preaching, he had thoroughly put to death the "old man."
This is the type of leader we need. NOT some self-serving, swinefilled bastard, but a man fully dependent upon the Grace and mercy of God. Knowing full well there is NO hope in him or anyone without God, knowing he can look forward to NOTHING without God.

continued...(btw, Church was wonderful this morning, 3 baptisms!)

Eveningstar

11-23-2003, 06:20 PM

Rom 8:1-39 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.
Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time [are] not worthy [to be compared] with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected [the same] in hope,
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.
For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
But if we hope for that we see not, [then] do we with patience wait for [it].
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God.
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
What shall we then say to these things? If God [be] for us, who [can be] against us?
He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? [It is] God that justifieth.
Who [is] he that condemneth? [It is] Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [shall] tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

This was a man who gave up ALL for Christ and received ALL from Christ. All others were jealous, arrogant, wannabes with zero sense of humility or duty towards their fellows or even themselves. Like Herod or Bush or Clinton or any man holding or seeking office in American Government.
If one seeks office of rulership over his fellows, one MUST first be a servant of Christ and none other.
The strong MUST use his strength to serve Christ and strengthen his fellows.
The Law MUST protect the lawful and NOT the criminal. The Ruler must rule with integrity in Righteousness and thereby uphold and strengthen the Whole.
The wicked must be convinced and converted, that is why Christ was crucified- to save and truly free.
NOT to set up a democratic government that succeeds by lying and falsehood and feeds upon the naive and trusting souls entrusted to their care. He was crucified to sanctify unto Himself an Holy Nation which He feeds with the Bread of Righteousness on a daily basis.
What have we got instead? A Nation of vipers dying on the Atkins diet, breeding amongst fear and waste and claiming the right to govern/police other nations because they cannot govern their own?!
Heroes we are not.
The real heroes (the Church) must continue in Him and be faithful so as to help these sinners who are currently leading others to hell, to find a way back and overcome. So many more are dependent upon you than upon them. And it's the easiest leadership job their is, simply live as Christ did and obey the commandments, and they will know that You are the Leader(s.)

God be for you and with you.

I will continue as I receive...

Eveningstar

11-23-2003, 06:21 PM

1Nephi 15:34-36 But behold, I say unto you, the kingdom of God is not filthy, and there cannot any unclean thing enter into the kingdom of God; wherefore there must needs be a place of filthiness prepared for that which is filthy.
And there is a place prepared, yea, even that awful hell of which I have spoken, and the devil is the preparator of it; wherefore the final state of the souls of men is to dwell in the kingdom of God, or to be cast out because of that justice of which I have spoken.
Wherefore, the wicked are rejected from the righteous, and also from that tree of life, whose fruit is most precious and most desirable above all other fruits; yea, and it is the greatest of all the gifts of God. And thus I spake unto my brethren. Amen.

1Nephi 16:1-5

AND now it came to pass that after I, Nephi, had made an end of speaking to my brethren, behold they said unto me: Thou hast declared unto us hard things, more than we are able to bear.
And it came to pass that I said unto them that I knew that I had spoken hard things against the wicked, according to the truth; and the righteous have I justified, and testified that they should be lifted up at the last day; wherefore, the guilty taketh the truth to be hard, for it cutteth them to the very center.
And now my brethren, if ye were righteous and were willing to hearken to the truth, and give heed unto it, that ye might walk uprightly before God, then ye would not murmur because of the truth, and say: Thou speakest hard things against us.
And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did exhort my brethren, with all diligence, to keep the commandments of the Lord.
And it came to pass that they did humble themselves before the Lord; insomuch that I had joy and great hopes of them, that they would walk in the paths of righteousness.

Eveningstar

11-23-2003, 06:57 PM

2Sa 23:1-7 Now these the last words of David. David the son of Jesse said, and the man [who was] raised up on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said,
The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word [was] in my tongue.
The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, [B]He that ruleth over men [must be] just, ruling in the fear of God.
And [he shall be] as the light of the morning, [when] the sun riseth, [even] a morning without clouds; [as] the tender grass [springing] out of the earth by clear shining after rain.
Although my house [be] not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all [things], and sure: for [this is] all my salvation, and all [my] desire, although he make [it] not to grow.
But [the sons] of Belial [shall be] all of them as thorns thrust away, because they cannot be taken with hands:
But the man [that] shall touch them must be fenced with iron and the staff of a spear; and they shall be utterly burned with fire in the [same] place.

Eveningstar

11-23-2003, 07:02 PM

Rev 1:1-8 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John:
Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Blessed [is] he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time [is] at hand.
John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Eveningstar

11-23-2003, 07:04 PM

Jhn 18:33-37 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?
Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?
Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

Little Lamb

11-23-2003, 07:45 PM

ES said:
...(I'm late for church )
Been there, done that.

Eveningstar

11-23-2003, 07:56 PM

Been there, done that.

I was right on time. Had time for small talk with the Elders even.
:p

Little Lamb

11-23-2003, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by Eveningstar
I was right on time. Had time for small talk with the Elders even.
:p
It's nice when we can get to church on time and greet each other.

Eveningstar

11-25-2003, 09:41 AM

If the bloody strength of this bloody nation had not been betrayed by its Head, (and its Head is not Christ) boys might still become men of honor who fight to protect an Holy Nation of Saints and Children of God, the Father Almighty. To defend a Flock, One Flock of One Shepherd, and to keep this Flock undefiled. But in this nation the government has betrayed its heroes and retarded its military's Will and Purpose in Him. It sends men of divine courage, who imagine they are doing right, off to steal and murder and thus protect madness and criminal behavior at home and the slow and sure degradation and defilement of its own by warring without Holy conscience or duty.
The "almighty" or "god" Bush refers to is therefore not the Father of Our Lord, Jesus Christ. It is a beast that wishes to adopt Christ and retard who Christ is and defile who belongs to Him. And all these expansionist, interfaith pimps and rationalists have NO REAL Faith in God, themselves, or their fellow man.
Remember Bush denied Saddam Hussein a debate or even discussion before initiating war. No rightful leader of any nation could do so if he were God's.
Luke 14:31-32 "Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace."
Saddam sent an "ambassage" by requesting a debate. Bush moved in because Saddam had failed to do as America not God told him to do. The Beast allowed the American populace to know that Saddam sent an Abassage to damn Her people. Now they had not an excuse for backing the Beast. They are now acting willingly and according to the Beast's desires and will, not God's, so any man claiming to represent God and this American country in the same breath is a liar.
Yet there is an American counrty within this mad facade who does represent God. The Orthodox Christian Church condemned the war from the get-go. They were right to do so, not because they oppose a Holy War but because this war is not a Holy War.
The Bush Administration has betrayed the American People, God, Country, God's Word, the Constitution, and all Holy Reason and Will with the help of the Left who are in cahoots with them in misleadership, misdirection and criminal behavior that cannot be forgiven.
I cannot condemn Bush. he is doing the best a frightened man can do. He is afraid of the very populace he is in office to govern. He's simply the Commander in Chief of an ugly nation trying to crawl out from under a HEAVY burden of sin and debt. He's not a Spiritual man, he's extremely carnal. He doesn't understand God and probably at this stage in his life, does not want to. He only wants to cover his butt. He knows fear not Faith and simply mirrors the mob mentality he represents. We're all guilty of doing he same.

Rom 3:10-18 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Their throat [is] an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps [is] under their lips:
Whose mouth [is] full of cursing and bitterness:
Their feet [are] swift to shed blood:
Destruction and misery [are] in their ways:
And the way of peace have they not known:
There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Forgive debt, repent of sin and be forgiven is what the Gospel teaches. Not deny debt, pick fights and cover sins.

1Pe 2:16 As free, and not using [your] liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

A Democratic Administration did and will do worse- set up a steep slide from the top of which they launch lamb after lamb on a quick, thrilling ride to hell. Democratic Liberals lack integrity, honor and respect for God. They respect manipulation of God which is worse than allegiance to the Beast. The Beast is a reality God is well aware of and knows thoroughly why He created It. The Republican Party has too much to overcome and there doing a messy job of it because they still react with more respect for the laws of man then for the Word of God. Their Pride will be their downfall. Nothing can come of self-interest and fear but confusion and distrust which leads to bitterness through root, tree, branch and all. We must be authentically charitable and faithful to one another. Not with charity that ensnares. But with forgivenesss which frees.
Again, I say none of this to condemn anyone but to save whatever remnant is worth saving of America and assist in arighting a teetering ship of fools and make them a fast vessel of men of Faith, Love, Hope and Charity in Our Lord, Jesus Christ and none other.

continued?

Eveningstar

11-25-2003, 11:49 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103983,00.html

This article just goes to show that policing our children will not heal or solve the problem, the problem lies within the hearts of those policing and the government, who must police themselves better. That does not mean some reaction on their part is not justified, just this false reaction must go. They are inciting children to be rebellious on a psycholgical level that betrays the Whole.

They must become clean, wash their hands of blood guilt.

Otherwise their intervention will only result in further rebellion, which is exactly what they intend. They are caught up in tyranny and beastial dominance, not justice.

This is the government "acting" as if they care enough to intervene, not intervening because they care. Much like what they are doing in Iraq.

Eveningstar

11-25-2003, 12:01 PM

This is not rocket science.

What we are seeing done is we are setting up an Iraq Government here at home while we claim we are destroying it and setting up a free and democratic government in Iraq!

You cannot raise your children in a sea of iniquity and perversion and then blame them for becoming perverse and criminal.

What you can do is teach them the Truth and how to overcome...

Act 2:36-40 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Eveningstar

11-25-2003, 03:33 PM

Though many of our brothers and sisters have been ensnared and are fighting in this war and deserve our prayers and faithful witness:
This war is in NO way sanctioned by the Almighty or seen as just and right.
Anyone who says it is is a liar and the antichrist.
The whole governing body answers to satan not God. Everything they do is out of fear and discontent. They have never learned how to be satisfied with what the Lord God saw fit to give us and never will. They serve Death. To imagine anything else is completely absurd.
The boys who have been placed in seats of honor and power have not been given grace from above, they have willfully taken what they need by their own strength which is their God.
They make me tired and I think they do not even warrant the wrath of God, their own wrath and need to serve Death will eventually consume them.
They have absolutely EARNED the contempt of their Creator and fellowmen, enemies, brothers and children.
They can take pride in THAT! Instead of their beastly strength and cleverly spun webs and laid snares.
Yet it is the Christian's fault and not the warriors, they are doing their duty because we failed to do ours.

Hsa 8:1-5 [Set] the trumpet to thy mouth. [He shall come] as an eagle against the house of the LORD, because they have transgressed my covenant, and trespassed against my law.
Israel shall cry unto me, My God, we know thee.
Israel hath cast off [the thing that is] good: the enemy shall pursue him.
They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew [it] not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off.
Thy calf, O Samaria, hath cast [thee] off; mine anger is kindled against them

All we had to do was admit that we had gone astray and screwed things up, that we had tried to cover up our many sins and transgressions by screwing things up even further.
This one action would have enabled the coming generation to begin to "fix" the mess we've made.
But such an admittance would bring man no glory, all the Glory would have to be attributed to God's Faithfullness and His Faithful's longsuffering.
All the Beast (Government of men) care about is puffing themselves up and not even in the True strength of the Lord but in a lie that can and will never be, that and satisfying their hunger for sin.
Will they finally come out of the hiding that made them claim to be fighting men in the middle east who they said were the ones hiding in caves?
Will they admit to their and our guilt and attempt to right their ways and turn from their sins? And become men of God who diligently care for one another and their own? Or will they continue to run from themselves and others proffessing all the while the RIGHT to power?
Their is no choice for a man of God or Love but to wait, remain faithful and see what happens. All we can do is pray ceaselessly and do what the Lord REALLY asks of His People on a daily basis.

Mat 6:25-34 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, [shall he] not much more [clothe] you, O ye of little faith?
Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day [is] the evil thereof.

So far they do not seem willing or able of anything but lies and sin. But their guilt is made more and more obvious as the True Light within the coming generation shines Itself upon all their cleverly laid plans and exposes them to be what they really are.
The Beast will either relent or come out of its' closet and openly be the gross ugliness it has allowed to permeate all viable means of communication. Though it cleverly attempt to redirect attention from this and cover it up, its' continued decay will not cease until it arights itself in the eyes of the Almighty. Then it will be freely forgiven and healed.
Contrary to popular opinion, God did not create to destroy. However:

1Cr 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.

What men of the land of the "free" and "brave" would do would be to admit their guilt and change their ways and do what they used to do when we were a nation to beheld in awe. A Nation of True Leaders.
Else remain slave and knave and do evil.
What I'm talking about is not easy and would require the strength, bravery and integrity this country often boasts of emptily.
It would come with no little suffering upon the men of our nation, but after all we boast of our strength even in suffering so this should not make us afraid. But this suffering would be eased MIGHTILY by the gratitude and real love shown and returned by their children for the gift the Truth would establish for them and their future.

Jer. 29:11-13 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.
And ye shall seek me, and find [me], when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Children raised in such circumstances could ease the pain and suffering of said men and thus we might avert our Saviour's admonition that WILL come if we do not repent and relent now, of "Let the dead bury the dead."
The choice is now thrust in our hands but the way is not so easily seen yet.
The choice MUST be be made NOW with no ambiguity. We must change and admit our folly.
This one action means deliverance for ALL instantaneously.
Not to say that our job would be done but that we would be moved from the road to Perdition from whence none shall return to the road of righteousness that leads to Salvation.
The road we have chosen as a nation is one of cowardice and denial. Though the lengths we have gone to to cover this fact up lacks no amount of creativity and time spent (man hours) it certainly lacks love and honest care in abundance.
We have applied a band-aid to a case of terminal cancer. We have made excuses when abstinence is called for.
If one single ounce of the strength we wasted creating and cleaning up the mess of 9/11 was spent on keeping it from happening at all we would have that much more strength now to spend on encouraging and building up our children to live healthy lives of Godliness, rather than engaging in a psychological "smoke screen" that the "terrorism" created.
The cowardice is phenomenal.
While you can see the good that might have and still may come of the bad, if history teaches us anything at all, it is that only Truth is revolutionary and created dramas like 9/11 have no truth to them.
NYC definitely needed to be cleaned up but a face lift will only make Her that much more evil.
Again this war belongs at home and in each individual. The enemy is Sin and you have been equiped by God to fight this battle and come out the Victor.
This nation has had no intention of succeeding since I don't know when, but you can be sure the Lord wants His People to succeed and our forefather's believed it possible here in this nation.
If we remain Hellbent and determined to die laughing like a mad man or woman fantasizing all the while that we were legitimate and that we were all that we may have once been the right to do so will not be taken from us. What will be taken from us is God's Providence and Our Hope.

Revelations 2:4-5Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken your first love.
Remember the height from which you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.

John 3:19-21 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Eveningstar

11-26-2003, 10:11 AM

You know what I think one of the major problems may be, the rich and Right are clearly jealous of the love and fellowship the poor and Left have enjoyed at their expense.

But the elite have their perks too, among them, the vain priviledge of scoffing at the poor's strange and ignorant habits, which are really quite righteous if truth be told. The rich can scoff at the poor's pastimes and gatherings as well as their struggles. It's unforgivable behavior for the rich to set up stumbling blocks and duties and red tape before the second class citizen's way. It's unthankful of the second class citizens to tear down a community or way of life that the rich have invested in just because the poor or second class feel unheard.

What do the rich fear? That the poor are their equals? What do the poor fear? That they would not be as wise if made rich?
What do the rich and poor alike fear? That they have something in common with their fellows? That there is no reason for all the competition and drama that they've created?

Who bloody well cares?! This all seems to be the reason Jesus HAD to be an "agoraphobic" Messiah. Not because he suffered from agoraphobia, but because the world was addicted claustrophobia and he wanted nothing to do with neurosis.

It's easy when you know the Truth to take advantage of your fellow man and make them feel inferior. It's also easier to truly strive in life and put on quite a show and be all you can be in a selfish way...It is HARD when you are ignorant to strive towards anything beyond meeting your daily needs, but the real love and fellowship enjoyed in this realm can make up for the fact that you are not optimizing your full potential. What if we were to concern ourselves as a society with optimizing our children's unique gifts at our own personal expense? It's been tried but jealousy and disagreement have kept it from manifesting.

This is why God stepped into the world. He knew that men could not always be trusted to care for one another and that the illusion of self fulfillment would lead many atsray.

It is sad that such a vast majority have a tendancy to betray their own best interest. Amazing how quickly people will abandon their integrity when they are panicked/fearful or when they feel they've been taken advantage of. How quickly the Faithful forget their Faith.

The hurt pride of a man or woman is a hard thing to bear like a betrayed trust or broken heart may never rightly heal. This is why this prophecy is fulfilled:

3Nephi 21:10 But behold, the life of my servant shall be in my hand; therefore they shall not hurt him, although he shall be marred because of them. Yet I will heal him, for I will show unto them that my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the devil.

The Father seems to care only about the Son because the Son REALLY cares about you.

Eveningstar

12-01-2003, 07:09 PM

Notice in verses 20, 21, the full and complete destruction of those who've joined with the political and religious regimes which oppose God and His Truth.

Rev 19:19-21 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Little Lamb

12-01-2003, 07:11 PM

Do you think that's the battle of Armegoedon? Or however its spelled.

Eveningstar

12-01-2003, 07:15 PM

Armageddon, yes.

Eveningstar

12-03-2003, 08:51 AM

In this Nation liars are given national holidays and the government allows men to petition it, in sight of men and God (!) to remove God from its schools, court houses, assemblies, pledges, currency, etc. Heck, they are even trying to remove Him from His Church!
Without God, in school we learn nothing.
Without God, we cannot judge rightly.
Without God, we are Truly ALONE in our assemblies.
Without God, our word and our pledges are meaningless.
Without God, our currency is worthless.
Without God, we are worthless.

Jhn 1:1-9 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
There was a man sent from God, whose name [was] John.
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all [men] through him might believe.
He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that Light.
[That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

1Jo 2:1-17 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him [that is] from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him [that is] from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Eveningstar

12-03-2003, 10:11 AM

You know what "the thing of it" is? When one makes a deal with the devil, you're going to find out eventually what he already knows. Satan ultimately answers to God. Though he may convince the whole world to deny God and rebel first.
The devil knows how far he can go and knows he can go no further. He was the very first to find out what the limit of experience and ability is for those without God. He has already arrived at his end though a worse one awaits him in "The End." He knows his end full and well already.
Why would the world, caught up in the pride of the devil, listen to a lamb? A lamb which allows the world to crucify him??
That takes major balls (excuse my vivid example) and Faith.
The devil has neither. And all that the devil convinces to follow him are spineless sacks of evil cowardice.
And he is well aware of this fact which makes him even more evil and is why we are to fear him. He is Insane!
Play with a puppy, puppy lick your face. Play with fire, fire burn you.

Eveningstar

12-16-2003, 02:45 PM

There is a war that goes unseen and unreported of, that is the stuff of heroes and villains, angels and demons that we shall someday know more rightly.
The fallen indeed must war. Darkness cannot drive out darkness. We, as Christians ought to concern ourselves with helping those in Christ who walk and fight in darkness to win that battle and restore something worth having here for all by remaining in His Light.
Unfortunately, once fallen, men who would otherwise be true heroes cannot find a way to endure as they might have but as they must. I do not know how they weigh their options and make their decisions, but I would hope that once they know the stakes, they would opt to fight for something fulfilling and not totally selfish and void of a future hope or glory. They feel at once, a devotion to and an impossible separation from God. One they must deny whole heartedly if they are to retain any sense of duty to their tasks at hand. I cannot begin to tell you how important Christ's steadfastness is to this remnants survival and how bitter they become should they lose Christ's Overseeing. "Your Redeemer Lives!" Those at the top of the in command know how important it is to protect this Truth. And a lot of wrongs go unchecked because of their only duty to this importance. They take their own pride in winning wars and attribute this glory to Christ. Something He must deny but nevertheless cannot help but be touched by as he sees the suffering they have endured at least for one another if not for him. The difference between the suffering of Christ and the suffering of a soldier is that the soldier has a chance at fighting and defeating an enemy. Christ must allow himself to be crucified to have the victory and defeat The Enemy. He cannot fight no matter how much he would like to and it is for the sake of All. It has been a long time since Christ was a war god because war gods are not true.
There are more sniveling, spineless bastards concerned with hating Christ and bringing about the ruin of all, which says a lot for those who stand firm in Christ and for the Almighty's Power to rebuke satan and the antichrist. It also speaks volumes against any claim the antichrist might have on any sort of its own power or strength. Its a Lie and a thief and a snake.
Thus the only really strong people to walk the earth, or engage in any sort of living is Christ and his followers. All others were and are liars, thieves and murderers.
Christ does not make life easy unless you can and do perfect yourself. America has come closest to created a place for this to be possible for all Nations and people, and it will be the singular sorrow of sorrows to see this Hopeful nation dashed against the rocks of Despair and Apathy without so little as a sigh from Her people. We must blot out evil and redefine how people perceive strength.
To many have embraced the evil and warped it into a sense of strength instead of admitting that it is bitter fear. Fight to crush this insanity and you will feel the strength you know is within each of you because that is the strength to war that is in the Almighty. Not the Beast. And if you can possess this strength, I don't care if your enemies outnumber the sand of the sea shores, they will not be able to stand against you. For God Almighty will be fighting the battle for you. Your enemy will be sapped of his strength when confronted with the truth of his own heart's condemnation.
Indeed, then they will have no choice but to bow to their knees in Light of Him.
Their is not light in satan, so be careful. he is the only one not affected by Christ. Although he remains under Gods Almighty Authority, he does not listen to anything or anyone in the entire universe and his doom is sealed, why should he? He hates Christ because Christ loves him and because that love is stronger than him and shines its light on all his devious plans and schemes and shows them to be but trifles instead of the works of a master which is what Christ is, not satan. Jealousy rears its ugly head and roars.

Eveningstar

12-18-2003, 10:03 AM

I love this country:)

My country, 'tis of thee,
Sweet land of liberty,
Of thee I sing;
Land where my fathers died,
Land of the Pilgrims' pride,
From every mountain-side
Let Freedom ring.

My native country, thee,
Land of the noble free,
Thy name I love;
I love thy rocks and rills,
Thy woods and templed hills;
My heart with rapture thrills
Like that above.

Let music swell the breeze,
And ring from all the trees
Sweet freedom's song;
Let mortal tongues awake,
Let all that breathe partake,
Let rocks their silence break,
The sound prolong.

Our fathers' God, to Thee,
Author of liberty,
To Thee we sing;
Long may our land be bright
With Freedom's holy light,
Protect us by Thy might,
Great God, our King.

Little Lamb

12-18-2003, 04:28 PM

I love that song. I love patriotic music.

Eveningstar

12-31-2003, 10:27 AM

Too bad the Patriots forsook God.

Little Lamb

12-31-2003, 05:28 PM

The Patriots of today have forsook God.

Eveningstar

01-19-2004, 08:40 AM

Oba 1:1-14 The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord GOD concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the LORD, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.
Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.
The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation [is] high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?
Though thou exalt [thyself] as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.
If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave [some] grapes?
How are [the things] of Esau searched out! [how] are his hidden things sought up!
All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee [even] to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, [and] prevailed against thee; [they that eat] thy bread have laid a wound under thee: [there is] none understanding in him.
Shall I not in that day, saith the LORD, even destroy the wise [men] out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?
And thy mighty [men], O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.
For [thy] violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.
In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou [wast] as one of them.
But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day that he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress.
Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid [hands] on their substance in the day of their calamity;
Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress.

Eveningstar

01-19-2004, 08:42 AM

Oba 1:15-21 For the day of the LORD [is] near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.
For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, [so] shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.
But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.
And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be [any] remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken [it].
And [they of] the south shall possess the mount of Esau; and [they of] the plain the Philistines: and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin [shall possess] Gilead.
And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel [shall possess] that of the Canaanites, [even] unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which [is] in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south.
And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

Little Lamb

01-19-2004, 04:02 PM

Ok, ES, I gotta ask, what's Oba?

Eveningstar

01-19-2004, 04:50 PM

Obadiah. It's a short book in between Amos and Jonah.

You know what I think? Edom is claiming to be Israel right now and Israel, true Israel is not even recognized but is at work nonetheless.

Zec 4:6b Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

Little Lamb

01-19-2004, 05:10 PM

I'm familiar with the book of Obadiah. I've memorized them.

Why would Edom claim to be Israel right now?

Eveningstar

01-19-2004, 05:21 PM

To confuse and claim holy authority, to prosper in worldy wealth and to damn anyone who follows by so doing.

Mostly to misreprensent God and deceive the Elect.

Little Lamb

01-19-2004, 05:24 PM

Edom and Israel are sworn enemies, though.

Oh, I'm thinking of Ismeal and Isaac. I'm sure Edom and the Arabs and all those people want Israel.

Eveningstar

01-19-2004, 05:37 PM

Think of it in Spiritual terms, Edom could be your neighbor or family member. Could be you. :eek:

Little Lamb

01-19-2004, 05:39 PM

I don't think Israel's going to let that happen.

Eveningstar

01-19-2004, 05:42 PM

Israel can be/has been deceived.

Little Lamb

01-19-2004, 05:51 PM

How so?

Eveningstar

01-19-2004, 06:02 PM

Eze 14:9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

Little Lamb

01-19-2004, 06:03 PM

Are you saying God deceived Israel?

Eveningstar

01-19-2004, 06:40 PM

Maybe.

I'm giving what the Lord gave me to say.

I think Israel has been deceived numerous times, mostly when departing from the Lord as we all are.
But the Lord says Israel has dealt treacherously with Him.
What do we make of that?

Jer 3:20 Surely [as] a wife treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with me, O house of Israel, saith the LORD.

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Jer 5:11 For the house of Israel and the house of Judah have dealt very treacherously against me, saith the LORD.

I think the Lord is saying He is well aware that He is being betrayed by His own and there is nothing He can do but remain faithful to the oath He had sworn.
But He's not willing to hide Israel's sins for their sake or for the sake of the Covenant. That's why He made a New Covenant.
He is just saying this is what is happening, this is what is going to happen because of what is happening and none of it is My Will. Then He stepped into creation and showed us what His Will is.

Jer 2:26-27 As the thief is ashamed when he is found, so is the house of Israel ashamed; they, their kings, their princes, and their priests, and their prophets,
Saying to a stock, Thou [art] my father; and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth: for they have turned [their] back unto me, and not [their] face: but in the time of their trouble they will say, Arise, and save us.

Eveningstar

01-19-2004, 06:45 PM

Hsa 9:7-11 The days of visitation are come, the days of recompence are come; Israel shall know [it]: the prophet [is] a fool, the spiritual man [is] mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred.
The watchman of Ephraim [was] with my God: [but] the prophet [is] a snare of a fowler in all his ways, [and] hatred in the house of his God.
They have deeply corrupted [themselves], as in the days of Gibeah: [therefore] he will remember their iniquity, he will visit their sins.
I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: [but] they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto [that] shame; and [their] abominations were according as they loved.
[As for] Ephraim, their glory shall fly away like a bird, from the birth, and from the womb, and from the conception.

Eveningstar

01-19-2004, 06:46 PM

Basically I think America tried to fake Biblical prophecy, and so many believed.

Little Lamb

01-19-2004, 06:55 PM

ES,

You could be right. I just thought of something. They will be deceived when the antichrist comes to rule, until he claims to be God.

Eveningstar

01-23-2004, 06:31 PM

Israel's God and Guide (in the form of a cloudy pillar) steered the travelers away from the most direct route to Canaan, the "way of the sea," for at least two reasons: (1) to avoid certain warfare; and (2) to take Israel to the Mountain of God (3:12). The nation needed to learn to walk with God before learning to fight for God.

Eveningstar

02-04-2004, 08:39 PM

Isa 40:11 He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry [them] in his bosom, [and] shall gently lead those that are with young.

Eveningstar

03-28-2004, 08:34 AM

D&C 98:33-38
And again, this is the law that I gave unto mine ancients, that they should not go out unto battle against any nation, kindred, tongue, or people, save I, the Lord, commanded them.
And if any nation, tongue, or people should proclaim war against them, they should first lift a standard of peace unto that people, nation, or tongue;
And if that people did not accept the offering of peace, neither the second nor the third time, they should bring these testimonies before the Lord;
Then I, the Lord, would give unto them a commandment, and justify them in going out to battle against that nation, tongue, or people.
And I, the Lord, would fight their battles, and their children’s battles, and their children’s children’s, until they had avenged themselves on all their enemies, to the third and fourth generation.
Behold, this is an ensample unto all people, saith the Lord your God, for justification before me.

D&C 101:81-95
Now, unto what shall I liken the children of Zion? I will liken them unto the parable of the woman and the unjust judge, for men ought always to pray and not to faint, which saith—
There was in a city a judge which feared not God, neither regarded man.
And there was a widow in that city, and she came unto him, saying: Avenge me of mine adversary.
And he would not for a while, but afterward he said within himself: Though I fear not God, nor regard man, yet because this widow troubleth me I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.
Thus will I liken the children of Zion.
Let them importune at the feet of the judge;
And if he heed them not, let them importune at the feet of the governor;
And if the governor heed them not, let them importune at the feet of the president;
And if the president heed them not, then will the Lord arise and come forth out of his hiding place, and in his fury vex the nation;
And in his hot displeasure, and in his fierce anger, in his time, will cut off those wicked, unfaithful, and unjust stewards, and appoint them their portion among hypocrites, and unbelievers;
Even in outer darkness, where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth.
Pray ye, therefore, that their ears may be opened unto your cries, that I may be amerciful unto them, that these things may not come upon them.
What I have said unto you must needs be, that all men may be left without excuse;
That wise men and rulers may hear and know that which they have never considered;
That I may proceed to bring to pass my act, my strange act, and perform my work, my strange work, that men may discern between the righteous and the wicked, saith your God.