Job

[Buzzard]

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[Zerubbabel]

Are you uh...

Done editing yet???


:confused:



-Z.

[Buzzard]

Nope,
That low inside cruve you thru me,
about Esther and Mordechi,
went over right feild fence into the blackberries,
they still be looking for the ball

Zophar, was umpireing,
and he's still looking into the liver to see if it was a fair ball,
or foul


:D


Buzz:

[Buzzard]

I think they are going to rule it Foul,

Zophar and Eliphaz were talking
and there was to much East Wind blowing,

:green:


Buzz:

[Zerubbabel]

:laugh:

[Little Lamb]

Aw, c'mon! I might as well take a nap while I'm waiting. :sleep: Wake me up when you're done editing. :bulge:

[nats]

Job 36

1
Elihu also proceeded, and said,
2
Suffer me a little, and I will shew thee that I have yet to speak on God's behalf.
3
I will fetch my knowledge from afar, and will ascribe righteousness to my Maker.
4
For truly my words shall not be false: he that is perfect in knowledge is with thee.

Job 42

7
And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.
8
Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job.
9
So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went, and did according as the LORD commanded them: the LORD also accepted Job.

No mention of Elihu.


Ezekiel 28.

17
Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18
Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19
All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.


Isaiah 14

12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


Job 36
1
Elihu also proceeded, and said,
2
Suffer me a little, and I will shew thee that I have yet to speak on God's behalf.

:naw:

[Zerubbabel]

Job 32
1 So these three men ceased to answer Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes.
2 Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu
(God of himself)
the son of Barachel
(God has blessed)
the Buzite
(disrespect),
of the kindred of Ram
(To raise up):
against Job was his wrath kindled, because he justified himself rather than God.


Hmmm....

He got mad because Job justified himself...

Let's see what else the ole hypocrite Elihu has to say:

Job 33
1 Wherefore, Job, I pray thee, hear my speeches, and hearken to all my words.
2 Behold, now I have opened my mouth, my tongue hath spoken in my mouth.
3 My words shall be of the uprightness of my heart: and my lips shall utter knowledge clearly.

Well that was pretty clear.

Seems ole Elihu is kinda stuck on himself.

Can we compare scripture to his speeches?

Job 32 (Words of Elihu)
18 For I am full of matter, the spirit within me constraineth me.
19 Behold, my belly is as wine which hath no vent; it is ready to burst like new bottles.
20 I will speak, that I may be refreshed: I will open my lips and answer.

The wine bursting new bottles.

However Jesus said:

Matthew 9
16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse.
17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.


Elihu says:
Job 33
7 Behold, my terror shall not make thee afraid, neither shall my hand be heavy upon thee.


David says:
Psalm 91
2 I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;

Well ole Elihu says he will not make you afraid of his terror. Pish Posh....

David says trust in The Lord and you will not be afraid of the terror...

More from Elihu:
Job 33
6 Behold, I am according to thy wish in God's stead: I also am formed out of the clay.

He is in God's stead huh?
ladeling it pretty thick huh?

Where have I seen that before?........
Something about the thick clay......

Habakkuk 2
3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.
4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
5 Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine, he is a proud man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his desire as hell, and is as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him all nations, and heapeth unto him all people:
6 Shall not all these take up a parable against him, and a taunting proverb against him, and say, Woe to him that increaseth that which is not his! how long? and to him that ladeth himself with thick clay!
7 Shall they not rise up suddenly that shall bite thee, and awake that shall vex thee, and thou shalt be for booties unto them?


Yipes!!!


More from Elihu:
Job 33
14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.
15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;
16 Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,
17 That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.


Compare to Jeremiah:
Jeremiah 23
25 I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.
26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;


More from Elihu:
Job 36
11 If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures.


What??

Jesus said:
Matthew 20
25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.



Gosh it seems as if old Job here is in some kind of
Tribulation

Elihu is kinda stuck on himself being as God...

But looky what happens to Job in the end:

Job 42
10 And the LORD turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had before.
11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.
12 So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses.
13 He had also seven sons and three daughters.


Seven sons and three daughters.......


Hmmmm..........




Zerubbabel

[countryroad]

by nats

14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


Job 36
1
Elihu also proceeded, and said,
2
Suffer me a little, and I will shew thee that I have yet to speak on God's behalf.





So I'm trying to play ketchup on this thread,
So much has flown over my head.

But ...... When the Lord makes a decree no man can question it or turn it aside.

Yet .... there is no man or teaching that is above being questioned or judged by the local church.

"Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the others judge."

Other prophets, or just others in general, it makes no difference.

Every man must have a balance.

Paul did a lot of beseechin'.

Old English.

I think it means to plead, to reason, to call near, to intreat.

OK, here it is:

Strong's Ref. # 3870

Romanized parakaleo
Pronounced par-ak-al-eh'-o

from GSN3844 and GSN2564; to call near, i.e. invite, invoke (by imploration, hortation or consolation):

KJV--beseech, call for, (be of good) comfort, desire, (give) exhort(-ation), intreat, pray.

Hey, just like the Holy Spirit. I think Paul is a good example of how to relate. I don't always rise to that level though.

[Zerubbabel]

Originally posted by countryroad
So I'm trying to play ketchup on this thread,




Uhh.......

Don't play with the ketchup!

You'll only get stains on your clothes.

I had a ketchup mishap one time when.....

Uh,
Nevermind.

Kind of embarrasing.



Hey, just like the Holy Spirit. I think Paul is a good example of how to relate. I don't always rise to that level though.



None of us do.

Things will be different when we cast aside our fleshly garments tho.



G.B.



-Z.

[nats]

Hey, just like the Holy Spirit. I think Paul is a good example of how to relate. I don't always rise to that level though.

We all fall real short of that mark like Z said. That's a good thing to be humble enough to know that.

Elihu was trying to rise to the level of God.

Satan also wants to rise to the level of God.

That was the comparison I was going for.

Elihu was never mentioned again in Job.

Satan is sentenced to death by turning to ashes by fire from within. "And never shalt thou be any more"

Elihu is a good example of the haughtiness of Satan. And he wasn't mentioned anymore either.

;)

stan.

[nats]

By Zerubbabel
Job 2
11 Now when Job's three friends heard of all this evil that was come upon him, they came every one from his own place; Eliphaz the Temanite, and Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the Naamathite: for they had made an appointment together to come to mourn with him and to comfort him.
12 And when they lifted up their eyes afar off, and knew him not, they lifted up their voice, and wept; and they rent every one his mantle, and sprinkled dust upon their heads toward heaven.
13 So they sat down with him upon the ground seven days and seven nights, and none spake a word unto him: for they saw that his grief was very great.

Eliphaz means God of gold.
Bildad means son of contention.
Zophar means departing.

These friend are shown to be babbling idiots. But each one claims to know God.

Eliphaz takes the place of the prosperity preacher. You're okay as long as you are accumulating things. That shows that God is blessing you. Otherwise you're evil. That's Eliphaz stance.

Bildad is the naysayer. He naysays the truth without any knowledge of what is going on. There are some Bildads on this board.

Zophar is the rapturist. He is not going to have any tribulation because he is leaving.

Read Job and see if this doesn't line up.

But Job is the elect. He has tribulation.

Eliphaz says:
Job 15
29 He shall not be rich, neither shall his substance continue, neither shall he prolong the perfection thereof upon the earth.
30 He shall not depart out of darkness; the flame shall dry up his branches, and by the breath of his mouth shall he go away.
31 Let not him that is deceived trust in vanity: for vanity shall be his recompence.
32 It shall be accomplished before his time, and his branch shall not be green.
33 He shall shake off his unripe grape as the vine, and shall cast off his flower as the olive.
34 For the congregation of hypocrites shall be desolate, and fire shall consume the tabernacles of bribery.
35 They conceive mischief, and bring forth vanity, and their belly prepareth deceit.

Bildad says:
Job 18

1 Then answered Bildad the Shuhite, and said,
2 How long will it be ere ye make an end of words? mark, and afterwards we will speak.
3 Wherefore are we counted as beasts, and reputed vile in your sight?
4 He teareth himself in his anger: shall the earth be forsaken for thee? and shall the rock be removed out of his place?
5 Yea, the light of the wicked shall be put out, and the spark of his fire shall not shine.
6 The light shall be dark in his tabernacle, and his candle shall be put out with him.

Zophar says:

Job 20
1 Then answered Zophar the Naamathite, and said,
2 Therefore do my thoughts cause me to answer, and for this I make haste.
3 I have heard the check of my reproach, and the spirit of my understanding causeth me to answer.
4 Knowest thou not this of old, since man was placed upon earth,
5 That the triumphing of the wicked is short, and the joy of the hypocrite but for a moment?
6 Though his excellency mount up to the heavens, and his head reach unto the clouds;
7 Yet he shall perish for ever like his own dung: they which have seen him shall say, Where is he?
8 He shall fly away as a dream, and shall not be found: yea, he shall be chased away as a vision of the night.
9 The eye also which saw him shall see him no more; neither shall his place any more behold him.


I want to focus on Zophar. You said he is a rapturest and wont have any tribulation.

Zophar means departing.

Job 20
1
Then answered Zophar the Naamathite, and said,
2
Therefore do my thoughts cause me to answer, and for this I make haste.

( He's in a hury to speak. We're warned of God not to do this: )

James 1.

16
Do not err, my beloved brethren.
17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with Whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
18
Of His own will begat He us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures.
19
Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:

Job was definitely a firstfruit. Zophar was quick to speak.


Job 20
3
I have heard the check of my reproach, and the spirit of my understanding causeth me to answer.
4
Knowest thou not this of old, since man was placed upon earth,
5
That the triumphing of the wicked is short, and the joy of the hypocrite but for a moment?
6
Though his excellency mount up to the heavens, and his head reach unto the clouds;

( Thats ol Zophar and his departing thoughts. )

Job 20
7
Yet he shall perish for ever like his own dung: they which have seen him shall say, Where is he?
8
He shall fly away as a dream, and shall not be found: yea, he shall be chased away as a vision of the night.
9
The eye also which saw him shall see him no more; neither shall his place any more behold him.

( Poof! He's gone like the rapture. This seems to be the mind-set of Zophar. )

Zerubbabel, You mentioned the church of Sardus to me the other night. The rapturest believe Jesus can come at any moment. But the fake Jesus ( Satan ) comes first. So they are teaching the wrong Jesus.

Revelation 3
1
And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

The name that gives life is Jesus Christ. They are teaching the wrong Jesus. The fly away doctrine. So they're works are dead.

2
Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

( Christ commanded that we watch. Mark 13:33-36. "Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping". Spiritually sleeping. )

3
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

( Definitely the last days. Just before Christ returns. )

4
Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

( His elect or the part of the 144,000 that come out of confusion. )

5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
6
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Overcometh means to conquer, prevail, get the victory.

Departing from tribulation means the exact opposite.

stan.

[countryroad]

by stan

Overcometh means to conquer, prevail, get the victory.

Departing from tribulation means the exact opposite.




"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."


That's to individuals.

I think that Christianity declined spiritually after 70 AD.

But individuals can overcome. And local fellowships can be strong too.

I have to thank the Lord for bringing some people my way .... men and women of God who set the example in word and deed. People that have pressed on with the Lord through many years of tribulation and adversity.

There are overcomers today. People that have reached a certain place by going on with the Lord and being patient in tribulation. And I think we are in the process!



9. I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.


We can have "companions in tribulation," people of the same mind who are having the same experience, who can encourage one another to persevere.

We all,

Consider him - THE example.


3. For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

Contradiction here means to speak against the word.


Strong's Ref. # 485
Romanized antilogia
Pronounced an-tee-log-ee'-ah
from a derivative of GSN0483; dispute, disobedience:
KJV--contradiction, gainsaying, strife.


He endured a lot of strife and contradiction.



4. Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.


That's where the rubber meets the road. But there are other ways to lose your life. But whatever you give up for the Lord, you will recieve back again many fold.



5. And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6. For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.


That's the correction of sons, every father corrects his children. And the Lord's correction is perfect, with an expected outcome...




11. Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.


I think there are seasons of chastening followed by seasons of fruitfulness and victory.

Many times. Many seasons. Yet there will be one final harvest!

One great tribulation followed by one great harvest.

As you guys have pointed out, Job had ten great kids and great rest after his chastening.

Has anybody considered Job's daughters? What there names mean?

I'll look it up later.

[countryroad]

13. |0860| Also were |0000| to him |7651| seven |1121| sons |7967| and three |1323| daughters.
14. |7121| And he called |8034| the name of |0259| the first |3224| Jemimah, |8034| and the name of |8145| the second, |7103| Keziah, |8034| and the name of |7992| the third, |7163| Keren- |7163| happuch.
15. |3808| And not |4672| were found |0802| {any} women |3303| beautiful |1323| as the daughters of |0347| Job |3605| in all |0776| the land. |5414| And gave |0000| to them |0001| their father |5159| inheritance |8432| among |0251| their brothers.




Jemimah:

Strong's Ref. # 3224
Romanized Ymiymah
Pronounced yem-ee-maw'
perhaps from the same as HSN3117; properly, warm, i.e. affectionate; hence, dove [compare HSN3123]; Jemimah, one of Job's daughters:
KJV--Jemimah.


Kezia:

Strong's Ref. # 7103
Romanized Qtsiy`ah
Pronounced kets-ee-aw'
the same as HSN7102; Ketsiah, a daughter of Job:
KJV--Kezia.

Strong's Number: 7102
Transliterated: qtsiy`ah
Phonetic: kets-ee-aw'
Text: from 7106; cassia (as peeled; plural the bark): --cassia.

Strong's Number: 7106
Transliterated: qatsa`
Phonetic: kaw-tsah'
Text: a primitive root; to strip off, i.e. (partially) scrape; by implication, to segregate (as an angle): --cause to scrape, corner.


Cassia - a kind of cinnamon, a laxative, an ingredient in the holy oil compounded by Moses, valued as a perfume for garments.



Keren- happuch:

Strong's Ref. # 7163
Romanized Qeren hap-puwk
Pronounced keh'-ren hap-pook'
from HSN7161 and HSN6320; horn of cosmetic; Keren-hap-Puk, one of Job's daughters:
KJV--Keren-happuch.

Strong's Number: 6320
Transliterated: puwk
Phonetic: pook
Text: from an unused root meaning to paint; dye (specifically, stibium for the eyes): --fair colours, glistering, paint[-ed] (-ing).


Hmm, I guess they were all real lookers because all the names have to do with beauty.


15. And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job:

Supermodels!! (but I bet they were kinder of heart than those super gals look, they walk around with their noses in the air, swingin' their hips!)

:rolleyes:


4. Thou art beautiful, O my love, as Tirzah, comely as Jerusalem, terrible as an army with banners.

Striking fear into the hearts of men everywhere!

Job had three armies, and lots of banners.

But Job split his estate 10 ways more or less.

and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren.

Then,


16. After this lived Job an hundred and forty years, and saw his sons, and his sons' sons, even four generations.
17. So Job died, being old and full of days.

It looks like Job's reckoning begins after his trial, or after the days of his ten sons and daughters. Does it say how old he was when it began?

[countryroad]

by stan

Satan also wants to rise to the level of God.




I think that rebellion began long before Adam was created.

It was prehistoric.

Even before the seven days of creation.

God created a vessel of weakness out of the dust with a purpose.

He could have crushed that original rebellion ..... with raw power, but he didn't.

The Lord's wisdom is above the heavens.

Lucifer's deception was that he thought(darkly) that God could be seperated from his throne. He saw God's throne as an object to be coveted, but it's not. His throne is an expression of His divine glory, of his very person. If God were deposed there would be no universe, all would cease to exist because he is the one who upholds all things by the word of his power.

Yet:

21. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


God used a vessel of weakness to reveal his glory, grace and truth in salvation. The Word was made flesh! He overcame the world, the flesh, and the devil by selfless obedience to the Father.

And in Christ the humble and the repentant can be granted an honor that the rebellious will never know. God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.

[Zerubbabel]

:good::me::up:

[Buzzard]

Originally posted by Zerubbabel
Eliphaz means God of gold.
Bildad means son of contention.
Zophar means departing.

These friend are shown to be babbling idiots. But each one claims to know God.

Eliphaz takes the place of the prosperity preacher. You're okay as long as you are accumulating things. That shows that God is blessing you. Otherwise you're evil. That's Eliphaz stance.
Eliphaz = “my God is (fine) gold”


~{Job 22:23}~
Then Eliphaz the Temanite answered and said,

--{snip}--

If thou return to the Almighty, thou shalt be built up,
thou shalt put away iniquity far from thy tabernacles.

24 Then shalt thou lay up gold as dust,
and the gold of Ophir as the stones of the brooks.
25 Yea, the Almighty shall be thy defence,
and thou shalt have plenty of silver.
26 For then shalt thou have thy delight in the Almighty,
and shalt lift up thy face unto God.
27 Thou shalt make thy prayer unto him,
and he shall hear thee, and thou shalt pay thy vows.

28 Thou shalt also decree a thing,
and it shall be established unto thee:
and the light shall shine upon thy ways.
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

"Speak it and Claim it"

Is that what its called ????


Buzz:

[Zerubbabel]

by Buzzzzzz
"Speak it and Claim it"

Is that what its called ????




Yes.

Exactly right.

However God's people are not necessarily supposed to be wealthy with material possessions.

Matthew 6
24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.


Matthew 19
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.


I guess nobody ever told the "new prosperity" guys that.

However I do not believe it is a sin to have cash.

The problem lies here:

1 Timothy 6
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.


Someone should tell those people sitting in those packed auditoriums that.

:sozo:

However,

If you didn't have stupid people,

How could you tell who is smart??



:freak:




-Z.

[Eveningstar]

How could you tell who is smart??



Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD [is] perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD [is] sure, making wise the simple.

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Pro 21:11 When the scorner is punished, the simple is made wise: and when the wise is instructed, he receiveth knowledge.

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Rom 16:19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all [men]. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.

[Buzzard]

Just setting the Stage

Now its a given,
Jobs three friends didn't know anything
~{Job 42:7}~
7 And it was so,
that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job,
the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee,
and against thy two friends:
for ye have not spoken of me
the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.

Ah Yes;
"Vain Janglers"
~{1Tim.1:7}~
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside
unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law;
understanding neither what they say,
nor
whereof they affirm.
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.




#1:
Job = Post Flood
----Eliphaz Speaking-----

~{Job 22:15}~
Hey Job, ya ever consider this:
Hast thou marked the old way
which wicked men have trodden??????
16 Which were cut down out of time,
whose foundation was overflown with a flood
#2:
Evidently the Story takes place
After the Tower of Babel
for they had split into tribes,

~{Gen.11:8}~

7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language,
that they may not understand one another’s speech.
8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth:
and they left off to build the city.
9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel;
because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth:
and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

But seems that Job and his friends still spoke a common speech.
:confused:
?????????????????????????????????
Comments anyone ????

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

~{Job 1:13}~
13 And there was a day
when his sons and his daughters
were eating and drinking wine
in their eldest brother’s house:
14 And there came a messenger unto Job,
and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them:
And the Sabeans {#7614} fell upon them,
and took them away;
yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword;
and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

16 While he was yet speaking, there came also another,
and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven,
and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants,
and consumed them;
and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

17 While he was yet speaking, there came also another,
and said,
The Chaldeans {#3778} made out three {3} bands,
and fell upon the camels, and have carried them away,
yea, and slain the servants with the edge of the sword;
and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.


~{Job 2:11}~
11 Now when Job’s three {3} friends heard of all this evil
that was come upon him,
they came every one from his own place;

Eliphaz {#464}the Temanite, {#8489}
and
Bildad {#1085}the Shuhite, {#7447}
and
Zophar {#6691}the Naamathite: {#5284}
[/list=1]


#3:
I think it is evident,
They knew of the
Prophesy of Enoch
~{Jude 1:14}~

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam,
prophesied of these, saying,[list]
Behold,
the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all,






#4:
Echoing the Words of Satan:

Ah Yes;
"Vain Janglers"

~{1Tim.1:7}~
Desiring to be teachers of the law;
understanding neither what they say,
nor
whereof they affirm.
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.
------Satan Speaks-------

Naugghhhh;

:devil:
Job just likes being rich,
He serves you out of Fear
Blaa-Blaa-Blaa
ect. - ect. - ect

~{Job 1:9-11}~
9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said,
Doth Job fear God for nought?
10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him,
and about his house,
and about all that he hath on every side?
thou hast blessed the work of his hands,
and his substance is increased in the land.

11 But put forth thine hand now,
and touch all that he hath,
and he will curse thee to thy face.

-----Eliphaz Speaks-----

~{Job 4:3}~

:banana:
Yeah-Yeah-Yeah, Job,
Behold,
thou hast instructed many,
and thou hast strengthened the weak hands.
4 Thy words have upholden him that was falling,
and thou hast strengthened the feeble knees.


Yer all talk, ya big Hyprocrite
5 But now it is come upon thee, and thou faintest;
it toucheth thee, and thou art troubled.
6 Is not this thy fear, thy confidence, thy hope,
and the uprightness of thy ways?


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
-------Satan Says-------
~{Job 1:10}~Hast not thou made an hedge about him,
and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side?

--{snip}—
12 And the LORD said unto Satan,
Behold, all that he hath is in thy power;

-----Job Saith-----
~{Job 1:20}~
20 Then Job arose,
and rent his mantle, and shaved his head,
and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,
21 And said,

Naked came I out of my mother’s womb,
and naked shall I return thither:
the LORD gave,
and
the LORD hath taken away;
blessed be the name of the LORD.

22 In all this Job
sinned not,
nor
charged God foolishly.

-------Question-------

the LORD gave,
and
the LORD hath taken away;
blessed be the name of the LORD.
------Question-----
What had the Lord given, that was taken away ???????
for we are told it was Satan,
that took all Jobs Possessions and his Health

Buzz:

[Eveningstar]

But seems that Job and his friends still spoke a common speech.
?????????????????????????????????
Comments anyone ????



Ether 1:33-43 Which Jared came forth with his brother and their families, with some others and their families, from the great tower, at the time the Lord confounded the language of the people, and swore in his wrath that they should be scattered upon all the face of the earth; and according to the word of the Lord the people were scattered.
And the brother of Jared being a large and mighty man, and a man highly favored of the Lord, Jared, his brother, said unto him: Cry unto the Lord, that he will not confound us that we may not understand our words.
And it came to pass that the brother of Jared did cry unto the Lord, and the Lord had compassion upon Jared; therefore he did not confound the language of Jared; and Jared and his brother were not confounded.
Then Jared said unto his brother: Cry again unto the Lord, and it may be that he will turn away his anger from them who are our friends, that he confound not their language.
And it came to pass that the brother of Jared did cry unto the Lord, and the Lord had compassion upon their friends and their families also, that they were not confounded.
And it came to pass that Jared spake again unto his brother, saying: Go and inquire of the Lord whether he will drive us out of the land, and if he will drive us out of the land, cry unto him whither we shall go. And who knoweth but the Lord will carry us forth into a land which is choice above all the earth? And if it so be, let us be faithful unto the Lord, that we may receive it for our inheritance.
And it came to pass that the brother of Jared did cry unto the Lord according to that which had been spoken by the mouth of Jared.
And it came to pass that the Lord did hear the brother of Jared, and had compassion upon him, and said unto him:
Go to and gather together thy flocks, both male and female, of every kind; and also of the seed of the earth of every kind; and thy families; and also Jared thy brother and his family; and also thy friends and their families, and the friends of Jared and their families.
And when thou hast done this thou shalt go at the head of them down into the valley which is northward. And there will I meet thee, and I will go before thee into a land which is choice above all the lands of the earth.
And there will I bless thee and thy seed, and raise up unto me of thy seed, and of the seed of thy brother, and they who shall go with thee, a great nation. And there shall be none greater than the nation which I will raise up unto me of thy seed, upon all the face of the earth. And thus I will do unto thee because this long time ye have cried unto me.



What had the Lord given, that was taken away ???????


His Presence/Spirit/Holy Communion/The Family Job loved?


Job 1:20-22 Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,
And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.
In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.



Job didn't care about the goods/riches nor his own health, but about the Lord and His Spirit and his family's welfare.

[Buzzard]

ES

Then Jared said unto his brother: Cry again unto the Lord, and it may be that he will turn away his anger from them who are our friends, that he confound not their language.
And it came to pass that the brother of Jared did cry unto the Lord, and the Lord had compassion upon their friends and their families also, that they were not confounded.

-{snip}-

And it came to pass that the Lord did hear the brother of Jared, and had compassion upon him, and said unto him:
Go to and gather together thy flocks, both male and female, of every kind; and also of the seed of the earth of every kind; and thy families; and also Jared thy brother and his family; and also thy friends and their families, and the friends of Jared and their families.
And when thou hast done this thou shalt go at the head of them down into the valley which is northward. And there will I meet thee, @ and I will go before thee into a land which is choice above all the lands of the earth.
And there will I bless thee and thy seed, and raise up unto me of thy seed, and of the seed of thy brother, and they who shall go with thee, a great nation. And there shall be none greater than the nation which I will raise up unto me of thy seed, upon all the face of the earth. And thus I will do unto thee because this long time ye have cried unto me.
@
and I will go before thee into a land which is choice above all the lands of the earth.

Okie-Dokie;

and
what Peoples were these ????
where was, or is, this land ???

Buzz:

[Eveningstar]

Jaredites.

Bountiful. Land of Milk and Honey?

The Americas?

[Eveningstar]

THE BOOK OF ETHER

CHAPTER 13
Ether speaks of a New Jerusalem to be built in America by the seed of Joseph

2-12 For behold, they rejected all the words of Ether; for he truly told them of all things, from the beginning of man; and that after the waters had receded from off the face of this land it became a choice land above all other lands, a chosen land of the Lord; wherefore the Lord would have that all men should serve him who dwell upon the face thereof;
And that it was the place of the New Jerusalem, which should come down out of heaven, and the holy sanctuary of the Lord.
Behold, Ether saw the days of Christ, and he spake concerning a New Jerusalem upon this land.
And he spake also concerning the house of Israel, and the Jerusalem from whence Lehi should come—after it should be destroyed it should be built up again, a holy city unto the Lord; wherefore, it could not be a new Jerusalem for it had been in a time of old; but it should be built up again, and become a holy city of the Lord; and it should be built unto the house of Israel.
And that a New Jerusalem should be built up upon this land, unto the remnant of the seed of Joseph, for which things there has been a type.
For as Joseph brought his father down into the land of Egypt, even so he died there; wherefore, the Lord brought a remnant of the seed of Joseph out of the land of Jerusalem, that he might be merciful unto the seed of Joseph that they should perish not, even as he was merciful unto the father of Joseph that he should perish not.
Wherefore, the remnant of the house of Joseph shall be built upon this land; and it shall be a land of their inheritance; and they shall build up a holy city unto the Lord, like unto the Jerusalem of old; and they shall no more be confounded, until the end come when the earth shall pass away.
And there shall be a new heaven and a new earth; and they shall be like unto the old save the old have passed away, and all things have become new.
And then cometh the New Jerusalem; and blessed are they who dwell therein, for it is they whose garments are white through the blood of the Lamb; and they are they who are numbered among the remnant of the seed of Joseph, who were of the house of Israel.
And then also cometh the Jerusalem of old; and the inhabitants thereof, blessed are they, for they have been washed in the blood of the Lamb; and they are they who were scattered and gathered in from the four quarters of the earth, and from the north countries, and are partakers of the fulfilling of the covenant which God made with their father, Abraham.
And when these things come, bringeth to pass the scripture which saith, there are they who were first, who shall be last; and there are they who were last, who shall be first.

[JayD]

Isn't Ether something that is used to cut heroin or cocaine???? Highly trustworthy source material E.S. :rolleyes:

[Eveningstar]

I wouldn't know about heroin or cocaine. Ether is a chemical substance use as an anesthetic and solvent, I believe. But here it is the name of a servant/prophet of God. If you're looking to poke fun, why not use "Moron," another name from the BoM. Lots of stranger names came out of ancient Israel, many too hard for me to even pronounce.

What I think offends you, is that what the above states makes sense and is true, and stifles all your earlier scoffings.

:think:

[JayD]

What I think offends you

Who said anything about offence?

I wasn't offended nor was I making allusions to your knowledge of herion or cocaine.

[Zerubbabel]

Well I for one AM offended.

This started out as a good thread on Job.

Look back. There is some good earlier stuff in it.


However it is now been trampled on and turned into yet another Moroni-baloney thread.

Now because of that, everyone has lost interest in Job,
What this thread was originally about.


Thanks E.S.

You have ruined yet another thread.



Batting a thousand.




Zerubbabel

[Buzzard]

my time on a puter is so limited
I havn't been able to get my 1st edited yet
so we will wait till I figure out where the ball is

OBTW
Zophar said,
that low curve ball had some
"Mandrake Oil on it"
not a legal pitch
:green:

drazzuB

[Little Lamb]

You have an avatar, Buzzie!

[Zerubbabel]

That curveball was destined to go over the fence.


Had pitch on the bat.

Ole Noah had some left over.....


Genesis 6
14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.


Pitch
3724
kopher-
a cover.....
a village (as covered in)
a bitumen (as used for coating)
and the henna plant (as used for dyeing)
Fig a redemption

from 3722


3722
kaphar
prime root
to cover
to expiate or condone
to placate or cancel
to make atonement



Yep...


That's what it was pitched with.

Redemption and atonement.



-Z.

[Eveningstar]

It took a logical turn. And considering the BoM and the Bible run together and have become One Book, it's about time we learn to use It as such.

Otherwise, you oppose His Will.:nervous:

[JayD]

Originally posted by Eveningstar
And considering the BoM and the Bible run together and have become One Book

the only way to make the BoM and the Bible run together is to poor alot of water over them and see if you can shift the ink.

As to Job,

It is a book of wisdom literature, hence its positioning in the current bible. It is by far the oldest book, and so the common speach would be appropriate. As to Enoch, the books that exist today acreditted to him have been assigned to a dating period between 800BCE to 250CE, therefore it is quite unlikely that Job and his friends knew anything of such writtings.

[Buzzard]

Actually,
my study took me to 2nd Peter and the word
privily
But there were false prophets also among the people,
even as there shall be false teachers among you,
who privily shall bring in damnable heresies,
even denying the Lord that bought them,
and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.
3919.
[list=1]pareisavgw pareáisagoµ, par-ice-ag´-o; from 3844 and 1521;
to lead in aside, i.e. introduce surreptitiously:— privily bring in.[/list=1]
James Strong, New Strong’s dictionary of Hebrew and Greek words [computer file], electronic ed., Logos Library System, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1996.

privily
Now thats a interesting word,
and
:banana:
introduce surreptitiously

but then I usually do get it backwards

drazzuB

[Eveningstar]

Pareiserchomai, par-ice-er-khom-ahee; to come in alongside, i.e. supervene additionally or steathily;-come in privily, enter.

The BoM is this but is more like the Greek word,

Pareisphero, par-ice-fer-o; to bear in alongside, i.e. introduce simultaneously.

[Zerubbabel]

Why don't you take your Bowel Movement and pollute some other thread.


-Z.

[Eveningstar]

Proverbs 12:16

A fool's wrath is presently known: but a prudent man covereth shame.

[Buzzard]

Originally posted by Eveningstar
Pareiserchomai, par-ice-er-khom-ahee; to come in alongside, i.e. supervene additionally or steathily;-come in privily, enter.

The BoM is this but is more like the Greek word,

Pareisphero, par-ice-fer-o; to bear in alongside, i.e. introduce simultaneously.

Then the BoM is not 100% correct if that is their interpretation
for one of the ideas it contains
is to drug in some sort of way as in medication,
to cover, not heal to
whats it called
Pablum or some such sort like in a substitute for the real thingy
like in taste of the white of an egg

[Eveningstar]

Job 6:6 Can that which is unsavoury be eaten without salt? or is there [any] taste in the white of an egg?


I assure you Buzz, the BoM is no substitute for the "real thingy."



Still, I'd be interested to know what you mean by:

for one of the ideas it contains is to drug in some sort of way as in medication, to cover, not heal to

Where do you get this "idea"?

[Buzzard]

Damnable heresies


But there were false prophets also among the people,
even as there shall be false teachers among you,
who privily shall bring in damnable heresies,
even denying the Lord that bought them,
I gots a tooth ache
I go to a dentist

here ya goes,
let me give you a shot of novocain
and a prescription for belap 2

that'll be a $100.00

Dad Gum doc thats some good stuff
don't feel a thing
yas fixed me up good

did he fix my tooth or did he just
"Mandrake" it over so I don't feel the pain
ie:
cover it up

and unless somewhere I get the tooth fixed,
I am now going back
again and again and again and again and again and again
for the same treatment thats not doing me any good

~{Job 13:4}~
4 But ye are forgers of lies,
ye are all physicians of no value.

5 O that ye would altogether hold your peace!
and it should be your wisdom.
ie:
If you were Smart ,
Oh friends of mine
you would shut up




drazzuB

[Little Lamb]

Ok, Buzz, what are you trying to say? Spit it out. You seem :upset:

A picture of da Buzz...

[Buzzard]

I had too give him up
he still has most of his feathers
:D

[Little Lamb]

Originally posted by Buzzard
I had too give him up
he still has most of his feathers
:D

In fact, he has all of his own feathers. They grew back! You may have had to give him up, but now you can have him back. Here he is, for the taking. He's 50 by 50.

[Eveningstar]

Hope everyone had a good Sabbath.


I see what you're trying to say, Buzz, but it doesn't make sense concerning the BoM, if anything what you are saying might be said about the works of Paul, if Paul weren't so gifted spiritually, he was a terrible example and weakened the Faith of many, for many were "drugged" by Paul.

The BoM gets back to fundamentals and sincere Faith and Works.

Take a look at the Gospel Principles someday.

[Little Lamb]

I'm not a 7th Day Adventist. I do work on Saturdays, but have Sundays off and I go to church and have a good time.

[JayD]

Originally posted by Eveningstar
Hope everyone had a good Sabbath.


I see what you're trying to say, Buzz, but it doesn't make sense concerning the BoM, if anything what you are saying might be said about the works of Paul, if Paul weren't so gifted spiritually, he was a terrible example and weakened the Faith of many, for many were "drugged" by Paul.

The BoM gets back to fundamentals and sincere Faith and Works.

Take a look at the Gospel Principles someday.

What has all this got to do with Job?

[Eveningstar]

Goodnight, Jay.


His LL,

I'm not SDA either. I just Keep the Sabbath Holy. It's personal- between God and I. I go to church on Sundays too, but I don't even travel on the Sabbath. I used to, this is a fairly new thing for me. Over the past year or so, I started keeping Sabbath with a vengeance according to Scripture. I keep it in my dwelling place and travel not, nor do I work. I keep it from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.
But like Jesus said, The Sabbath was made for man, not the man for Sabbath.

[Little Lamb]

Ok, this is between you and God, but I believe the Sabbath was for the Jew only. Not the Gentile. This is the time I'd like to offer you some scripture and can't think of any. And this is also the time I'd like to be able to explain myself and am unable to.

[Eveningstar]

Jhn 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

[Little Lamb]

Originally posted by Eveningstar
Jhn 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

That was in the day of Jesus. Jesus was talking to the woman at the well at that time.

[JayD]

Keeping the sabbath can be in principle or literal.

1stly if it is in principle what is the principle - A time of rest or as a unionist might say - stop work. It is a time when you put up your feet from the daily grind and spend time with God.

2ndly if it is literal, the time is fixed, and if one is keeping within the bounds of the ancient customs then it is also a time of religious ritual. The legalistic stance may become very restrictive and prohibitive.

What does it matter?

Well if we are keeping a Sabatarian timeframe for legalistic reasons then we must note the words of the prophet.

"For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings."- Hosea 6:6

and also those of the council of Jerusalem found in Acts 15.

Our choices also affect others, so this should also be considered as to what impact for good or bad may result from such a stance. And if it is for these reasons then you must also carry the rest of the burden of the law - for you can not have part.

If it is in principle, when doesn't matter, But the what does. What one does during this "Sabbath Period" needs to reflect the attitude of what the principle is. For many christians they apply it to a Sunday, some to a Saturday, some even do it during the week (due to circumstances.) does this mean they are out of favour... I don't think so.

[Eveningstar]

I know, LL. I'm not saying anything more than the Jews are God's Chosen/Covenant People. Entrusted with the Oracles of God. They were to teach the Gentiles by example. God's Holy Sabbath is for all nations and people's. The Roman Church changed the day but had NO authority to do so.

None of this has anything to do with Job though, and we'd better move to the appropriate thread.

[Little Lamb]

ES,

What is the appropriate thread to discuss what we're discussing in? In other words, where shall we take our discussion?

[JayD]

I actually think that talk about the sabbath (and other matters associated with the law) is appropriate to Job. Wasn't the first impression of Jobs friends that Job had done something awfully wrong?

[Little Lamb]

Jay,

Speaking of Job, Job is supposed to be the oldest book in the Bible. I don't know how true that is. Only the Lord knows.

It's kind of interesting that the law isn't mentioned in Job.

[JayD]

Yes Job is commonly accepted to be pre-abrahamic in content. it is old. Yet the ideas of "law" and what retribution theology was strong in those time. If you recall the bible stories at the start of Genesis, the idea of a retributional God are very easy to develop.

Gods will was known albiet not the way we might know it today, and it was expected to be abided to.

However having said that the Jews placed Job with the wisdom literature, because it is timeless in its teachings. And so to look at job and read it in light of the Law or in light of Jesus is entirely appropriate to the genre of the text.

[Eveningstar]

Rom 2:13-15 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

[Little Lamb]

Job is a hard book to understand. All his friends were down on him and he did nothing to deserve it. God wanted to show the devil how faithful he actually was.

[JayD]

It is really hard to do once you know the story,

Skip the prologue and the end. Read just the story of Job and imagine how he felt. He didn't know what happened in heaven. It makes a total difference to the story.

[Little Lamb]

It would make it a completely different story. The beginning and ending are the best parts of that book.

If I were Job, I wouldn't understand why it was happening to me. I would turn to the Lord for help.

[Buzzard]

Originally posted by Little Lamb
It would make it a completely different story. The beginning and ending are the best parts of that book.

If I were Job, I wouldn't understand why it was happening to me. I would turn to the Lord for help.
Edited by Buzz
If I were Job, I would understand exactly why it was happening to me. I would turn to the Lord for help.
so that I might give an answer
~{Job 2:9}~
9 Then said his wife unto him,
Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.
10 But he said unto her,
Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh.
What? shall we receive good at the hand of God,
and shall we not receive evil?
[list=1]~{1Pet.4:12}~
12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial
which is to try you,
as though some strange thing happened unto you:
[/list=1].
In all this did not Job sin with his lips.



~{Proverbs 26:1}~
Boast not thyself of to morrow;
for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth.
~{Job 1:13}~
13 And there was a day
when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine
in their eldest brother’s house:
14 And there came a messenger unto Job,
and said,
--------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------"


2 Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth;
a stranger, and not thine own lips.

6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend;
but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.

7 The full soul loatheth an honeycomb;
but to the hungry soul every bitter thing is sweet.

11 My son, be wise, and make my heart glad,
that I may answer him
that reproacheth me.
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

drazzuB

[Little Lamb]

Buzzie,

I disagree with your statement that you'd understand why it was happening. Job didn't understand, but accepted what was given him and sinned not.

[Buzzard]

Job answers Eliphaz

~{Job 23:10}~
But he knoweth the way that I take:
when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold.
11 My foot hath held his steps,
his way have I kept, and not declined.
12 Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips;
I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food.


Bildad Mocks Job

~{Job 25:4}~
4 How then can man be justified with God?
or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?

Job answers Bildad

~{Job 27:4}~
4 My lips shall not speak wickedness,
nor my tongue utter deceit.
5 God forbid that I should justify you:
till I die I will not remove mine integrity from me.

The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

drazzuB

[Little Lamb]

I love the beginning and ending of Job. Job meets God in a whirlwind. I love that portion of scripture.

[Zerubbabel]

Elihu claiming to be God?


Job 36
1 Elihu also proceeded, and said,
2 Suffer me a little, and I will shew thee that I have yet to speak on God's behalf.
3 I will fetch my knowledge from afar, and will ascribe righteousness to my Maker.
4 For truly my words shall not be false: he that is perfect in knowledge is with thee.



That is what he has attributed to himself.

"He that is perfect in knowledge."


He also says:

Job 37
14 Hearken unto this, O Job: stand still, and consider the wondrous works of God.
15 Dost thou know when God disposed them, and caused the light of his cloud to shine?
16 Dost thou know the balancings of the clouds, the wondrous works of him which is perfect in knowledge?



Hmmmm.......


This version should clear it up a bit:


Job 36
36:1 Elihu-ay also-ay oceeded-pray, and-ay aid-say,
36:2 Uffer-say e-may a-ay ittle-lay, and-ay I-ay ill-way ew-shay
ee-thay at-thay I-ay ave-hay et-yay o-tay eak-spay on-ay Od's-gay
ehalf-bay.
36:3 I-ay ill-way etch-fay y-may owledge-knay om-fray afar-ay,
and-ay ill-way ascribe-ay ighteousness-ray o-tay y-may Aker-may.
36:4 Or-fay uly-tray y-may ords-way all-shay ot-nay e-bay alse-
fay: e-hay at-thay is-ay erfect-pay in-ay owledge-knay is-ay ithway ee-thay.


Compare to:


Job 37
37:14 Earken-hay unto-ay is-thay, O-ay Ob-jay: and-stay ill-stay,
and-ay onsider-cay e-thay ondrous-way orks-way of-ay Od-gay.
37:15 Ost-day ou-thay ow-knay en-whay Od-gay isposed-day em-
thay, and-ay aused-cay e-thay ight-lay of-ay is-hay oud-clay o-tay
ine-shay?
37:16 Ost-day ou-thay ow-knay e-thay alancings-bay of-ay e-thay
ouds-clay, e-thay ondrous-way orks-way of-ay im-hay ich-whay is-
ay erfect-pay in-ay owledge-knay?




Clear as mud?



-Z.


from
http://www.museumofconceptualart.com/ible-bay/ob-jay.txt

[Little Lamb]

Z,

The last part of your post I do not understand.

I disagree with you about Elihu claiming to be God. He said, (I'm paraphrasing, that he would talk on God's behalf). He claimed to be talking for God.

And if I remember correctly, he was the last one to talk to Job before the Job spoke to God in the whirlwind.

[Eveningstar]

In very bad taste, Zeru...:no:

[Little Lamb]

Originally posted by Eveningstar
In very bad taste, Zeru...:no:

How so? He was stating what he believed and I disagreed.

[Eveningstar]

The Scriptures in pig latin, LL. I think anyone would be offended, except Satan.

[Little Lamb]

Originally posted by Eveningstar
The Scriptures in pig latin, LL. I think anyone would be offended, except Satan.

:doh: Now I understand! :idea:

[Buzzard]

Luke Saith

~{Luke 1:1}~
Forasmuch as many have taken in hand
to set forth in order a declaration of those things
which are most surely believed among us,
2 Even as they delivered them unto us,
which from the beginning were eyewitnesses,
and ministers of the word;

3 It seemed good to me also,
having had perfect understanding of all things
from the very first,
to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,

-----Luke's Reason for Writing----
4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things,

----All Dem Dar Verbal Teachings / Traditions----
wherein thou hast been instructed.

Job Says

~{Job 31:35}~35 Oh that one would hear me!
behold, my desire is,
that the Almighty would answer me,
and that mine adversary had written a book.

Now Elihu is Ticked for sure
Behold,
I am according to thy wish in God’s stead:

and Elihu don't like this idea of the written word at all
Furthermore Elihu answered and said,
2 Hear my words, O ye wise men;
and give ear unto me, ye that have knowledge.
3 For the ear trieth words, as the mouth tasteth meat.

4 Let us choose to us judgment:
let us know among ourselves what is good.
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.


drazzuB

[Zerubbabel]

Originally posted by Eveningstar
The Scriptures in pig latin, LL. I think anyone would be offended, except Satan.



No Moroni-baloney for us today?


-Z.

[Zerubbabel]

LL,

Earlier from nats:

Originally posted by nats
Job 36

1
Elihu also proceeded, and said,
2
Suffer me a little, and I will shew thee that I have yet to speak on God's behalf.
3
I will fetch my knowledge from afar, and will ascribe righteousness to my Maker.
4
For truly my words shall not be false: he that is perfect in knowledge is with thee.

Job 42

7
And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.
8
Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job.
9
So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went, and did according as the LORD commanded them: the LORD also accepted Job.

No mention of Elihu.


Ezekiel 28.

17
Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18
Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19
All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.


Isaiah 14

12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


Job 36
1
Elihu also proceeded, and said,
2
Suffer me a little, and I will shew thee that I have yet to speak on God's behalf.

:naw:





continued.....

[Zerubbabel]

Then from me:




Originally posted by Zerubbabel
Job 32
1 So these three men ceased to answer Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes.
2 Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu
(God of himself)
the son of Barachel
(God has blessed)
the Buzite
(disrespect),
of the kindred of Ram
(To raise up):
against Job was his wrath kindled, because he justified himself rather than God.


Hmmm....

He got mad because Job justified himself...

Let's see what else the ole hypocrite Elihu has to say:

Job 33
1 Wherefore, Job, I pray thee, hear my speeches, and hearken to all my words.
2 Behold, now I have opened my mouth, my tongue hath spoken in my mouth.
3 My words shall be of the uprightness of my heart: and my lips shall utter knowledge clearly.

Well that was pretty clear.

Seems ole Elihu is kinda stuck on himself.

Can we compare scripture to his speeches?

Job 32 (Words of Elihu)
18 For I am full of matter, the spirit within me constraineth me.
19 Behold, my belly is as wine which hath no vent; it is ready to burst like new bottles.
20 I will speak, that I may be refreshed: I will open my lips and answer.

The wine bursting new bottles.

However Jesus said:

Matthew 9
16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse.
17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.


Elihu says:
Job 33
7 Behold, my terror shall not make thee afraid, neither shall my hand be heavy upon thee.


David says:
Psalm 91
2 I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;

Well ole Elihu says he will not make you afraid of his terror. Pish Posh....

David says trust in The Lord and you will not be afraid of the terror...

More from Elihu:
Job 33
6 Behold, I am according to thy wish in God's stead: I also am formed out of the clay.

He is in God's stead huh?
ladeling it pretty thick huh?

Where have I seen that before?........
Something about the thick clay......

Habakkuk 2
3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.
4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
5 Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine, he is a proud man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his desire as hell, and is as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him all nations, and heapeth unto him all people:
6 Shall not all these take up a parable against him, and a taunting proverb against him, and say, Woe to him that increaseth that which is not his! how long? and to him that ladeth himself with thick clay!
7 Shall they not rise up suddenly that shall bite thee, and awake that shall vex thee, and thou shalt be for booties unto them?


Yipes!!!


More from Elihu:
Job 33
14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.
15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;
16 Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,
17 That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.


Compare to Jeremiah:
Jeremiah 23
25 I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.
26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;


More from Elihu:
Job 36
11 If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures.


What??

Jesus said:
Matthew 20
25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.



Gosh it seems as if old Job here is in some kind of
Tribulation

Elihu is kinda stuck on himself being as God...

But looky what happens to Job in the end:

Job 42
10 And the LORD turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had before.
11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.
12 So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses.
13 He had also seven sons and three daughters.


Seven sons and three daughters.......


Hmmmm..........




Zerubbabel



Ole Elihu is trying to stand in for God.

A no-no


Elihu wishes to become God.

Another no-no


Reminds you of someone else in scriptures.

(His name rhymes with Satan)


-Z.

[Little Lamb]

Z,

What you post is very interesting, but if Elihu is so full of himself as you say, why didn't the Lord say something to Job about it, like he did with Job's other friends? (or so called friends)

[Zerubbabel]

Well what happens?


Elihu spends 6 chapters going yakkitty-yakkitty-yakkitty-yak.

No one else gets a chance to talk.

Elihu says:

Job 33
1 Wherefore, Job, I pray thee, hear my speeches, and hearken to all my words.
2 Behold, now I have opened my mouth, my tongue hath spoken in my mouth.
3 My words shall be of the uprightness of my heart: and my lips shall utter knowledge clearly.


Then he says:

Job 33
6 Behold, I am according to thy wish in God's stead: I also am formed out of the clay.


He says:

Job 33
31 Mark well, O Job, hearken unto me: hold thy peace, and I will speak.
32 If thou hast anything to say, answer me: speak, for I desire to justify thee.
33 If not, hearken unto me: hold thy peace, and I shall teach thee wisdom.


Look what he says to Job:

Job 34
35 Job hath spoken without knowledge, and his words were without wisdom.


Now pay attention to this one.
It's a good one.
He says to Job:

Job 35
16 Therefore doth Job open his mouth in vain; he multiplieth words without knowledge.


But God cuts him off.
Elihu is speaking when God cuts him off and says this to Job:

Job 38
2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?


See it?

There is more on ole Elihu but,


If Job prays for his other three buddies,
Then God will accept them:

Job 42
7 And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.
8 Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job.
9 So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went, and did according as the LORD commanded them: the LORD also accepted Job.
10 And the LORD turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had before.



However Elihu is not given that chance.


What he did was much worse than the other three ratchet-jaws.


i.e.


Job 33
6 Behold, I am according to thy wish in God's stead: I also am formed out of the clay.


God didn't need anyone to speak for Him.
He spoke to Job personally through:

Job 38
1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?


Reminiscent of:

Jeremiah 23
18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?
19 Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
20 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.




Elihu is not given the same chance......





Zerubbabel

[Little Lamb]

Z,

You really cleared that up. I always thought Elihu was a good guy in God's eyes, but from what you posted, I guess not.

When you're down don't you want somebody to cheer you up? Job's friends did not do this.

[Eveningstar]

Job 16:1-5 Then Job answered and said,
I have heard many such things: miserable comforters [are] ye all.
Shall vain words have an end? or what emboldeneth thee that thou answerest?
I also could speak as ye [do]: if your soul were in my soul's stead, I could heap up words against you, and shake mine head at you.
[But] I would strengthen you with my mouth, and the moving of my lips should assuage [your grief].


wurd...:cool:

[Little Lamb]

wurd? :confused:

Z has explained Job to me.

[Eveningstar]

1Cr 8:2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

[Little Lamb]

1st Chronicles and 1st Corinthians does not say that.

[countryroad]

traditions of men:

( Rom1:22. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)

1030. All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.


:bang:



The scripture:


James5: 11. Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.



How simple and pure the truth is.

When did Job undergo purification?

I mean, what is the whole point of Job anyway?

"Ye .... have seen"


James5:8. Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

traditions:

but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.


Was Job into achievement?

I think he was cured of that!

Even after leaving this world we still have to achieve?


:devil:

devil with whip smilie here:____________


Notice Above the Gates of Hell: The beatings will continue until morale improves.


James5:8. Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

[Little Lamb]

countryroad,

I believe the whole point of Job is the reason we suffer the way we do, or at least part of the reason.

[countryroad]

I know, I'm just looking at the traditions of men compared to the word of God. That is a Jobian issue, I think.

Joe - bean?



Isa.40:13. Who hath directed the spirit of the Lord, or being his counseller hath taught him?


Sometimes you wonder who thinks who is teaching who ..... or something like that.

[Little Lamb]

True.

[countryroad]

21. Have pity upon me, have pity upon me, O ye my friends; for the hand of God hath touched me.
22. Why do ye persecute me as God, and are not satisfied with my flesh?
23. Oh that my words were now written! oh that they were printed in a book!
24. That they were graven with an iron pen and lead in the rock for ever!
25. For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
26. And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
27. Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.


Jer.23:5. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
6. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.


Is the Lord not perfect?

Is he not our perfection?


"But we see Jesus"


1Cor.1:26. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27. But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28. And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29. That no flesh should glory in his presence.

30. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31. That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.


Jesus is "made unto us..."

He is our wisdom.

He is our righteousness.

He is our sanctification.

Is he not sanctified?

[Little Lamb]

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!! :up:

[Eveningstar]

1st Corinthians does not say that.

It doesn't? :confused:




Job 30:19 He hath cast me into the mire, and I am become like dust and ashes.



Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
Wherefore I abhor [myself], and repent in dust and ashes.

[Little Lamb]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Eveningstar
[B]It doesn't? :confused:

No, it doesn't. :no:

1st Corinthians 8:2 says

And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

Ooooooops! Sorry. It does. My mistake.

:agree: :upset: :doh:

[nats]

Originally posted by Zerubbabel
Well I for one AM offended.

This started out as a good thread on Job.

Look back. There is some good earlier stuff in it.


However it is now been trampled on and turned into yet another Moroni-baloney thread.

Now because of that, everyone has lost interest in Job,
What this thread was originally about.


Thanks E.S.

You have ruined yet another thread.



Batting a thousand.




Zerubbabel

Yep! That's why I left. And that's why I deleted the Vision of the Eagle thread. He poisons everything he touches.

[Little Lamb]

Ok, why don't we get back to Job?

[Eveningstar]

Luk 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you [from their company], and shall reproach [you], and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Luk 7:23 And blessed is [he], whosoever shall not be offended in me.

[countryroad]

:yawn:


:sleep:

[Eveningstar]

1 Nephi 1:19-20
And it came to pass that the Jews did mock him because of the things which he testified of them; for he truly testified of their wickedness and their abominations; and he testified that the things which he saw and heard, and also the things which he read in the book, manifested plainly of the coming of a Messiah, and also the redemption of the world.
And when the Jews heard these things they were angry with him; yea, even as with the prophets of old, whom they had cast out, and stoned, and slain; and they also sought his life, that they might take it away. But behold, I, Nephi, will show unto you that the tender mercies of the Lord are over all those whom he hath chosen, because of their faith, to make them mighty even unto the power of deliverance.

And I'll pass the Work back to Job...

Job 21:3 Suffer me that I may speak; and after that I have spoken, mock on.

[JayD]

Do you feel mocked E.S.

Do you feel there are people undermining your messiah complex?

Or maybe now you think you are Job, defending the truth whislt others tell you to give in?

Or maybe you need a good psychologist.


Job was a normal man. Trusting of God and willing to see his family destroyed around him, yet not cry against God. He was inflicted with disease and painful friends, which of course according to a statement you have made elsewhere is a result of his sinful lifestyle...

But wait, Job is not punished because of his own sin, that is what the prologue is all about. God allowed his suffering to prove to the deciever that Job would not abandon him - he was suffering because there was sin, not because of sin (figure the difference if your feble mind can).

[Eveningstar]

Whaaat?:confused: :shrug:

[Little Lamb]

I'll let Jay handle this.

[Eveningstar]

My mind is too feble (sic).:rolleyes:

[JayD]

he was suffering because there was sin, not because of sin

The great thing about Job is that it is a polemic against retribution theology (very common in the Ancient Near East). You do not suffer because of bad things that you do.

But the only reason that suffering is in the world is because of sin. When man sinned it not only corrupted humanity but it also corrupted creation.

ergo - Job Suffered because there was sin in the world, not because he personally sinned to bring on the suffering.

[Little Lamb]

Originally posted by Eveningstar
My mind is too feble (sic).:rolleyes:

I know.

[Eveningstar]

John 5:43-44
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?



Jhn 12:43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

[JayD]

^
[Messiah Complex]

[JayD]

http://www.theologyreview.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=693

[Eveningstar]

1Pe 4:11 If any man speak, [let him speak] as the oracles of God; if any man minister, [let him do it] as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

[Zerubbabel]

Originally posted by Eveningstar
My mind is too feble (sic).:rolleyes:


E.S.

Finally you said something we can all agree upon.


Move your weird ramblings over to a different thread.

Or start a new thread and call it
"E.S. will try to apply BoM to everything."


But the morale is-

Move it somewhere else.


How many times do I have to say it?



-Z.

[Eveningstar]

Act 7:51-60 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers [did], so [do] ye.
Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept [it].
When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with [their] teeth.
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
And cast [him] out of the city, and stoned [him]: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
And they stoned Stephen, calling upon [God], and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

[Little Lamb]

Originally posted by Zerubbabel
E.S.

Finally you said something we can all agree upon.


Move your weird ramblings over to a different thread.

Or start a new thread and call it
"E.S. will try to apply BoM to everything."


But the morale is-

Move it somewhere else.


How many times do I have to say it?



-Z.

How many times do you have to say it? :confused: Maybe we should start counting. 1....2....3.....4.....Still not listening.

I'd like to discuss Job. I could learn something from Zubby and Buzzie.

[Buzzard]

Originally posted by Little Lamb


I'd like to discuss Job. I could learn something from Zubby and Buzzie.
If you wish to understand Job

read
Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Lamitations of Jeremiah
The Prophet unto the
"Nations"

then as you study the 12 minor Prophets
Job now makes sence
and his three friends
look foolish

until then
Job appears as a senile old man,
thats crying in his beer
and wants a "Pity Party"

drazzuB

[Little Lamb]

I've read all those books. Job doesn't seem to me like he's feeling sorry for himself. It seems to me his friends (or so called) are looking for reasons why everything was taken away. They think Job did something awful and he deserved it.

I don't understand why God came to him in a whirlwind and spoke to him asking all those questions. I love all those questions because it shows me we have a smart God.

Job also got blessed double afterwards.

[Eveningstar]

Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.


Job 19:9 He hath stripped me of my glory, and taken the crown [from] my head.


Job 31:35-37 Oh that one would hear me! behold, my desire [is, that] the Almighty would answer me, and [that] mine adversary had written a book.
Surely I would take it upon my shoulder, [and] bind it [as] a crown to me.
I would declare unto him the number of my steps; as a prince would I go near unto him.



Job 42:3-6 Who [is] he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
Wherefore I abhor [myself], and repent in dust and ashes.

[Little Lamb]

Your point, ES? :confused:

[Buzzard]

Originally posted by Little Lamb


I don't understand why God came to him in a whirlwind and spoke to him asking all those questions. I love all those questions because it shows me we have a smart God.

Job also got blessed double afterwards.
~{Job 38:1}~
Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind,
and said, 2 Who is this
that darkeneth counsel by words "without knowledge"?
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

:::::::Question::::::
:banana:
Who, in the story spoke words
"without Knowledge"
#2:What was Jobs Prayer / Request of God

Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind,
and Said


God Bless Your Bible Studies;
drazzuB

[nats]

I don't understand why God came to him in a whirlwind and spoke to him asking all those questions. I love all those questions because it shows me we have a smart God.

Job also got blessed double afterwards.

Little Lamb,

It's refreshing to see someone that wants to learn.

Within all that God had spoken to Job, there are underlaying messages and 'types' of future events within them. Buzzard and Zerubbabel, and country road have brought some of them out. I think that's why Buzzard suggested getting familiar with all those other books and he's right. There is a lot more to the book of Job then meets the eye. Zerubbabel just went through one of them with me on the phone the other day that I never seen before. It was fantastic. If it wasn't for 'you know who' this would have been a excellent study thread.

I apologize for my lack of patience with him. But I don't like Gods pearls trampled on by swine.

Look for 'types' in the book of Job.

Job was a firstfruit. They receive a double portion of reward.

God bless

stan.

[Eveningstar]

Matthew 23:10
Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ. (NIV)


James 3:1
My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. (KJV)


"No one likes a 'know-it-all.'" ~My Mum (RSV):p

[Buzzard]

Originally posted by nats
--------------

Look for 'types' in the book of Job.

Job was a firstfruit. They receive a double portion of reward.

God bless

stan.


Yeah
double portion as did Elisha

#2:
God told Jobs Three {3}, but only the three {3}
~{Job 42:7}~

7 And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job,
the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite,
My wrath is kindled against thee,
and against thy two friends:
for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right,
as my servant Job hath.
They should have listened to Job
ie:
~{Job 13:4}~
4 But ye are forgers of lies,
ye are all physicians of no value.

5 O that ye would altogether hold your peace!
and it should be your wisdom.
[list=1]ie:
If you were wise ,
:banana:
Oh friends of mine
you would shut up

like in
:quiet:

[/list=1]:D


8 Therefore take unto you now
seven bullocks and seven rams,
and
go to my servant Job,
and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering;
and my servant Job shall pray for you:
for him will I accept:

lest I deal with you after your folly,
in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right,
like my servant Job.

9 So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went,
and did according as the LORD commanded them:
the LORD also accepted Job.

10 And the LORD turned the captivity of Job,
when he prayed
for his friends:
also the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had before.

drazzuB

[JayD]

L.L.,

If you notice that the scene at the end of Job, when God is talking to him, doesn't actually answer any of Jobs questions. But he is richly bless due to his faithfullness.

[Little Lamb]

Amen, Jay D!

[nats]

Isaiah 61
6
But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
7
For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.

[Eveningstar]

Mormon 5:10-23 And now behold, this I speak unto their seed, and also to the Gentiles who have care for the house of Israel, that realize and know from whence their blessings come.
For I know that such will sorrow for the calamity of the house of Israel; yea, they will sorrow for the destruction of this people; they will sorrow that this people had not repented that they might have been clasped in the arms of Jesus.
Now these things are written unto the remnant of the house of Jacob; and they are written after this manner, because it is known of God that wickedness will not bring them forth unto them; and they are to be hid up unto the Lord that they may come forth in his own due time.
And this is the commandment which I have received; and behold, they shall come forth according to the commandment of the Lord, when he shall see fit, in his wisdom.
And behold, they shall go unto the unbelieving of the Jews; and for this intent shall they go—that they may be persuaded that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God; that the Father may bring about, through his most Beloved, his great and eternal purpose, in restoring the Jews, or all the house of Israel, to the land of their inheritance, which the Lord their God hath given them, unto the fulfilling of his covenant;
And also that the seed of this people may more fully believe his gospel, which shall go forth unto them from the Gentiles; for this people shall be scattered, and shall become a dark, a filthy, and a loathsome people, beyond the description of that which ever hath been amongst us, yea, even that which hath been among the Lamanites, and this because of their unbelief and idolatry.
For behold, the Spirit of the Lord hath already ceased to strive with their fathers; and they are without Christ and God in the world; and they are driven about as chaff before the wind.
They were once a delightsome people, and they had Christ for their shepherd; yea, they were led even by God the Father.
But now, behold, they are led about by Satan, even as chaff is driven before the wind, or as a vessel is tossed about upon the waves, without sail or anchor, or without anything wherewith to steer her; and even as she is, so are they.
And behold, the Lord hath reserved their blessings, which they might have received in the land, for the Gentiles who shall possess the land.
But behold, it shall come to pass that they shall be driven and scattered by the Gentiles; and after they have been driven and scattered by the Gentiles, behold, then will the Lord remember the covenant which he made unto Abraham and unto all the house of Israel.
And also the Lord will remember the prayers of the righteous, which have been put up unto him for them.
And then, O ye Gentiles, how can ye stand before the power of God, except ye shall repent and turn from your evil ways?
Know ye not that ye are in the hands of God? Know ye not that he hath all power, and at his great command the earth shall be rolled together as a scroll?
Therefore, repent ye, and humble yourselves before him, lest he shall come out in justice against you—lest a remnant of the seed of Jacob shall go forth among you as a lion, and tear you in pieces, and there is none to deliver.

[Zerubbabel]

Originally posted by Zerubbabel
E.S.

Move your weird ramblings over to a different thread.

Or start a new thread and call it
"E.S. will try to apply BoM to everything."


But the morale is-

Move it somewhere else.


How many times do I have to say it?



-Z.

[Eveningstar]

This is an open/public forum.

There are going to be intelligent, faithful witnesses who know the Works of God rather than their own opinions and agendas who will be posting occasionally, try to bear with it.

You are allowed to post too.:p

[Zerubbabel]

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[Little Lamb]

That ES is something else! :doh:

[JayD]

This is why I have stopped my "dueling" with E.S. he is a lost un-repentive soul.


But I am curious as to where Job has gone. Is there going to be any further points to discuss?

[Little Lamb]

I hope so, Jay.

[countryroad]

Eze.14: 14. Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord God.


:think:



He brings three men together. I wonder why those three?

[Eveningstar]

He brings three men together. I wonder why those three?


Interesting thought. The reason why seems obvious enough: They were all found to be righteous. But why those three in particular? And why 'three'?


:think:

[Little Lamb]

Maybe each had a heart for God, but so did David.

[Eveningstar]

Was David righteous, or merely penitent?

[Eveningstar]

To be penitent is an act of righteousness, but does it make you righteous? He (God) makes us righteous, but Noah and Daniel and Job were found to be righteous of their own merit?

[Little Lamb]

Originally posted by Eveningstar
Was David righteous, or merely penitent?

I don't know what penitent means. :confused:

I do know he was the apple of God's eye. Also, he's my favorite bible character.

You never answered me about our favorite smiley.

[Little Lamb]

Originally posted by Eveningstar
To be penitent is an act of righteousness, but does it make you righteous? He (God) makes us righteous, but Noah and Daniel and Job were found to be righteous of their own merit?
The bible says in Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

So, no they were not righteous in their own merit.

[countryroad]

Those three names could compose a sentence.

Noah - rest

Daniel - God is judge

Job - persecuted


Rest, God is judge, O persecuted.


But Job's name has some interesting facets to it.



Strong's Number: 347
Transliterated: 'Iyowb
Phonetic: ee-yobe'

Text: from 340; hated (i.e. persecuted); Ijob, the patriarch famous for his patience: --Job.



Strong's Number: 340
Transliterated: 'ayab
Phonetic: aw-yab'

Text: a primitive root; to hate (as one of an opposite tribe or party); hence to be hostile: --be an enemy.


"Opposite tribe or party."




Matt5: 11. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.



But remember, it must be "for my sake," Jesus said.


And it has to be done "falsely."


:agree:

[Eveningstar]

And it has to be done "falsely."

Martin Luther King Jr. comes to mind...

[countryroad]

I like the "rest" part.


Job had to rest and wait on the Lord.




Psalm 37: 3. Trust in the Lord, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.
4. Delight thyself also in the Lord: and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.
5. Commit thy way unto the Lord; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.
6. And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday.
7. Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for him

[Eveningstar]

"It comes not by merit but by mercy, not by trying, and not by working but by resting."

[Little Lamb]

It comes by believing the Lord.

Genesis 15:6
And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

[Eveningstar]

Martin Luther King Jr. comes to mind...


http://hometown.aol.com/lordlyliberal/

[Buzzard]

Ok, why don't we get back to Job?
We were waiting on you~{Job 3:1}~
After this opened Job his mouth, and cursed his day.
2 And Job spake, and said,
Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night in which it was said,
There is a man child conceived.
Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above,
neither let the light shine upon it.
Let darkness and the shadow of death stain it;
let a cloud dwell upon it;
let the blackness of the day terrify it.

As for that night, let darkness seize upon it;
let it not be joined unto the days of the year,
let it not come into the number of the months.
Lo, let that night be solitary, let no joyful voice come therein.
Let them curse it that curse the day,
who are ready to raise up their mourning.
Let the stars of the twilight thereof be dark;
let it look for light, but have none;
neither let it see the dawning of the day:

.
~{Rev.12:1}~
And there appeared a great wonder in heaven;
a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet,
and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried,
travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven;
and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns,
and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven,
and did cast them to the earth:
and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered,
for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child,
who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron:
and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

[nats]

Interesting comparison.



stan.

[Little Lamb]

Don't wait for me. I will read it until I have something to add.

[Buzzard]

Hey; Hey
stan is back; now if we could get Zubby and the kid,
we could get some good studies going

[Little Lamb]

Hey; Hey
stan is back; now if we could get Zubby and the kid,
we could get some good studies going

Then this is something we should encourage. Welcome, Stan!

[Buzzard]

Originally posted by nats

http://www.theologyreview.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6884#post6884

Originally posted by countryroad
Hey, just like the Holy Spirit. I think Paul is a good example of how to relate. I don't always rise to that level though.


We all fall real short of that mark like Z said. That's a good thing to be humble enough to know that.

Elihu was trying to rise to the level of God.

Satan also wants to rise to the level of God.

That was the comparison I was going for.

Elihu was never mentioned again in Job.

Satan is sentenced to death by turning to ashes by fire from within. "And never shalt thou be any more"

Elihu is a good example of the haughtiness of Satan. And he wasn't mentioned anymore either.



stan.Some one else also posted something along this line
I just don't remember who
Elihu was never mentioned again in Job.~{Daniel 7:11}~
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake:
I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed,
and given to the burning flame.
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts,
they had their dominion taken away:
yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.


~{Job 1:10}~
:devil1:
9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said,
:confused:
Doth Job fear God for nought?
10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house,
and about all that he hath on every side

21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother’s womb,
and naked shall I return thither:
the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away;
blessed be the name of the LORD.




~{Job 2:10}~
10 But he {Job} said unto her,
Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh.
What?
:confused:
shall we receive good at the hand of God,
and shall we not receive evil?
In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

~{1Pet.4:12}~
12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you,
as though some strange thing happened unto you:

-------{snip}------

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us,
what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?



~{Zeph 1:12}~
And it shall come to pass at that time,
that I will search Jerusalem with candles,
and punish the men
that are settled on their lees:
what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?



~{Job 3:25}~
-----Job asks his :banana: Three {3} Friends :banana:----
:confused:
Why is light given to a man whose way is hid,
and whom God hath hedged in?
Answer me if thou knowethWhy is light given to a man whose way is hid,
and whom God hath hedged in?
24 For my sighing cometh before I eat,
and my roarings are poured out like the waters.
25 For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me,
and that which I was afraid of is come unto me.
that are settled on their lees:
26 I was not in safety, neither had I rest,
neither was I quiet; yet trouble came.
~{Ezekiel 9:4}~
4 And the LORD said unto him,
Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem,
and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men
that sigh and that cry for all the abominations
that be done in the midst thereof.
For my sighing cometh before I eat,
and my roarings are poured out like the waters.
that sigh and that cry for all the abominations
that be done in the midst thereof.

.~{Psalms 139:23}~
23 Search me, O God, and know my heart:
try me, and know my thoughts:
24 And see if there be any wicked way in me,
and lead me in the way everlasting.


~{Zeph 1:12}~
And it shall come to pass at that time,
that I will search Jerusalem with candles,
and punish the men
that are settled on their lees:The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

[nats]

Excellent post Buzz.

:good:

[Little Lamb]

Weren't there all together 4 friends of Job?

[Buzzard]

------------------~{Joel 2:17}~
15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:
16 Gather the people,
~{Zeph.2:1}~
Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired;
2 Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff,
before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you,
before the day of the LORD’S anger come upon you.

.
15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:
16 Gather the people,
sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders,
gather the children, and those that suck the breasts:
let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.
17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD,
weep between the porch and the altar,
~{Ezekiel 9:4}~
4 And the LORD said unto him,
Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem,
and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men
that sigh and that cry for all the abominations
that be done in the midst thereof.
For my sighing cometh before I eat,
and my roarings are poured out like the waters.
that sigh and that cry for all the abominations
that be done in the midst thereof.

.


17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD,
weep between the porch and the altar,
and let them say,
-----------------------------"


~{Matt.23:35}~
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias,
whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

[Buzzard]

--------------~{Job 28:12}~
:confused:
But where shall wisdom be found??????
and where is the place of understanding?????

13 Man knoweth not the price thereof;
neither is it found in the land of the living.
14 The depth saith, It is not in me:
and the sea saith, It is not with me.

15 It cannot be gotten for gold,
neither shall silver be weighed for the price thereof.
16 It cannot be valued with the gold of Ophir,
with the precious onyx,
or the sapphire.
17 The gold and the crystal cannot equal it:
and the exchange of it shall not be for jewels of fine gold.
18 No mention shall be made of coral, or of pearls:
for the price of wisdom is above rubies.
19 The topaz of Ethiopia shall not equal it,
neither shall it be valued with pure gold.

:confused:
Whence then cometh wisdom???????
and where is the place of understanding?????
.
.
~{Isaiah 55:1}~
Ho, every one that thirsteth,
come ye to the waters,
and he that hath no money;
come ye,
buy, and eat;
yea, come,
buy wine and milk without money and without price.


~{Rev.22:17}~
17 And the Spirit and the bride say,
Come.
And let him that heareth say,
Come.

And let him that is athirst come.
And whosoever will,
let him take the water of life freely
yea, come,
buy wine and milk without money and without price.
And let him that is athirst come.
And whosoever will,
let him take the water of life freely

The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

[nats]

Buzzard's been pecking on some good meat.

I look forward to the next one.

[Buzzard]

Join in Stan, get Zubby and the kid
if you can see and understand what is meant by Armageddion
you can add a lot to job also

[Little Lamb]

nats,

Please, do as Buzz asks.

[nats]

Buzzard,

Z has been having puter problems for the last few weeks. He probably didn't get notified that you posted and I forgot to mention it the last time I talked to him. He's probably busy with Firstfruits and the last I heard of the kid was a couple of post at CWS earlier this month. I'll give Zuby a call and tell him you started the study of Job back up. I thought your last few post were some of your best.

Good works.



Little Lamb, Jobs other friend was the Lord. :)


God bless.



Stan.

[Little Lamb]

Ok, maybe we can get something started. Let me read back through this threaad and learn stuff and review. Job is quite interesting.

[Little Lamb]

nats said:
Little Lamb, Jobs other friend was the Lord.

Job's best friend in this story is the Lord. Job had 4 human friends in this story. They're mention in the beginning of this thread.

And also in this story Job is blessed with twice as much in the end. He still had his same wife though, who wanted him to curse God and die.

[Buzzard]

-----------------

~{Acts 22:3}~
Men, brethren, and fathers, hear ye my defence which I make now unto you.
2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them,
they kept the more silence: and he saith,)

3 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia,
yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel,
Taught by;
of the Hope and the reseruction
and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers,
and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.


~{Rev.2:9}~
And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write;

9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan,
which say they are Jews,
and are not, but do lie;
behold, I will make them to come
and worship before thy feet,
and to know that I have loved thee.


~{Job 42:7}~
7 And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job,
the LORD said to :banana: Eliphaz the Temanite,:banana:
My wrath is kindled against thee, and against
thy :banana: two friends:banana:
for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right,
as my servant Job hath.
8 Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams,
and
go to my servant Job,
and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering;
and my servant Job shall pray for you:
for him will I accept:
lest I deal with you after your folly,
in that ye have not spoken of me
the thing which is right,
like my servant Job.

9 So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went,
and did according as the LORD commanded them: the LORD also accepted Job.
10 And the LORD turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends:
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

[Zerubbabel]

Buzz asked:


Mr Hale;

Did you ever figure out
"Which Thief"
was on the Right



Time is short, mr hale




The answer is obvious.

Stan has already given it.

The answer is.....


DRAT!!

Out of time.

Well......

I guess I'll have to answer a bit later.

:bulge:



-Zerrrrrrrrrrr.-

[Zerubbabel]

Ok...


The answer is....


(Drumroll please)


DARN!!!

Someone at the door.

I'll have to tell later!


:eyebrows:


-Zubby.

[Zerubbabel]

Let's see.

The thief on the right.

Crucified with Christ.

Who can he be???

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.


We must take up our own cross.


Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.


We are to hang with Him.


The firstfruits are one of the feasts we are commanded to keep in Leviticus.

So.....

What are the firstfruits?

1 Corinthians 15
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.


Christ is the firstfruit.
He gave the example for those who follow Him in truth.

So being the example,

We are also a "firstfruit."


James 1
17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.


That is even better documented here:

Revelation 14
1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.





The answer is simple.



We are the thief hanging on the right.

The key is:

by Stan
Luke 23
41
And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

= Repentance

42
And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

= Faith

43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.




Repentance and faith.





Zerubbabel

[countryroad]

Amen.

I noticed this:


1Cor.15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Christ brings the kingdom to perfection when he brings it to the Father.


Jn.14: 6. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Perfection:


Eph.4:6. One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.


That is the seventh unity. The one God and Father himself. But before that there are two groups of three unities that are listed in Eph.4.. These correspond to what Jesus is saying in John 14:6, but not in the same order. I think there is a reason for that too. But the first six unities come to perfection and completion in the seventh.


Also, did you notice the last part of 1Cor. 15:24.?


:)

[nats]

We are the thief hanging on the right.

I like the way you said that.

You brought the firstfruits into it that follow Him in truth.

I think that was excellent.



Stan.

[Zerubbabel]

The dirty bird asketh:


But where shall wisdom be found??????
and where is the place of understanding?????



Proverbs 3
13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.
14 For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold.
15 She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her.
16 Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour.
17 Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace.
18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.



Revelation 22
10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates
into the city.


Revelation 21
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men,
and
he will dwell with them,
and
they shall be his people,
and
God himself shall be with them,
and
be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.


Prepared as a bride.......


Matthew 22
1 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto
a certain king,
which made a
marriage for his son,
3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and
all things are ready:
come unto the marriage.
5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14 For
many are called, but few are chosen.


Job's parable of righteousness:


Job 29
14 I put on righteousness, and it clothed me: my judgment was as a robe and a diadem.
15 I was eyes to the blind,
and feet was I to the lame.
16 I was a father to the poor:
and the cause which I knew not I searched out.
17 And I brake the jaws of the wicked,
and plucked the spoil out of his teeth.
18 Then I said,
I shall die in my nest,
and
I shall multiply my days as the sand.
19 My root was spread out by the waters,
and the dew lay all night upon my branch.
20 My glory was fresh in me,
and my bow was renewed in my hand.
21 Unto me men gave ear,
and waited,
and kept silence at my counsel.
22 After my words they spake not again;
and my speech dropped upon them.
23 And they waited for me as for the rain;
and they opened their mouth wide as for the latter rain.
24 If I laughed on them, they believed it not;
and the light of my countenance they cast not down.
25 I chose out their way,
and sat chief,
and dwelt as a king in the army,
as one that comforteth the mourners.





Zerubbabel

[Sissy]

Just had to say
what a wonderful study in Job!

I read Job again with new eyes.
I also saw Job as a reflection of Christ in parts.

Christ who for a while no longer lived in the splendor of heaven, but was tempted of the devil.
Christ who cried out from the cross to the Father "Why has thou forsaken me" but never altered from his prayer in the garden "Not my will, but yours".

Thanks again for the new thoughts.

[Zerubbabel]

Sissy!

Hi there.
Posting ok I see.

Job is a great study.


This:

Christ who cried out from the cross to the Father "Why has thou forsaken me"


Is Christ teaching and fulfilling prophecy.

Compare it to:

Psalm 22
1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
2 O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
8 He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
19 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.
20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
21 Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.
23 Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.
24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.
25 My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.
26 The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.
27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.
28 For the kingdom is the LORD's: and he is the governor among the nations.
29 All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.
30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.




Zerubbabel

[Buzzard]

Sissy!

Hi there.
Posting ok I see.

Job is a great study.


This:




Is Christ teaching and fulfilling prophecy.

Compare it to:
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30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.

31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.




ZerubbabelAhh yes;
a generation.
that shall be born,
Dat Generation
http://www.theologyreview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=534

Christ says to Nicodemus There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus,
a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him,
Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God:
for no man can do these miracles that thou doest,
except God be with him.

3 Jesus answered and said unto him,
Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born again,
he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him,
:confused:
How can a man be born when he is old?
can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered,
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit,
he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof,
but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth:
so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him,
:confused:
How can these things be?

Jesus answered and said unto him,
Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

[Sissy]

I can relate to ol' Nick sometimes.

I just keep going in circles till I find the way.
Glad ya'll are here to keep me from getting dizzy!!!!!!!!

[Buzzard]

Ahh yes;
a generation.
that shall be born,
Dat Generation
http://www.theologyreview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=534

Christ says to Nicodemus
Thou must be Born Again
----------------------------------------------------------------------
~{Mic.5:3}~
3 Therefore will he give them up,
until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth:
then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.


~{Mic.5:3}~
3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth:
then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.
4 And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD,
in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide:
for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.
5 And this man shall be the peace,
when the Assyrian shall come into our land:
and when he shall tread in our palaces,
then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.
6 And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword,
and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof:
thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian,
when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.

7 And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the LORD,
as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man,
nor waiteth for the sons of men.
8 And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people
as a lion among the beasts of the forest,
as a young lion among the flocks of sheep:
who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces,
and none can deliver.
~{2Peter 1:4}~
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises:
that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature,
having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith
#1: virtue;
and to virtue #2: knowledge;
6 And to knowledge #3: temperance;
and to temperance #4: patience; {endurance}
and to patience #5: godliness;
7 And to godliness #6: brotherly kindness;
and to brotherly kindness #7: charity.




----The 4th Church = Thyatira-----~{Rev.2:26}~
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end,
and to temperance #4: patience; {endurance} and keepeth my works unto the end,
to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron;
as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers:
even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star.


----The Fullfillment----
~{Rev.12:1}~
And there appeared a great wonder in heaven;
a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet,
and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Christ says to Nicodemus
Thou must be Born Again
2 And she being with child cried,
travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

5 And she brought forth a man child,
to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron;
who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron:
and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.



The Child, born to the woman of Rev.12:1-5 is not Christ

[Buzzard]

Theology > Sodom and Gomorrah and New Orleans

http://www.theologyreview.com/forums/showpost.php?p=32820&postcount=19


In all of this, I hold to the response of Job:
I certainly hope so

Job 1:20-22
At this, Job got up and tore his robe and shaved his head. Then he fell to the ground in worship and said:
"Naked I came from my mother's womb,
and naked I will depart.
The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away;
may the name of the LORD be praised."
In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing.

Be careful, John;
for It would be a sin of great perportions to or
by charging God with wrongdoing.

Be careful, John;
for by your own post you prove you are not ignorant of this fact of life

sin by charging God with wrongdoing.


Question
What did God "Give" that he "Tooketh Away"
The story tells us~{Job 1:9}~
Then Satan answered the LORD, and said,
Doth Job fear God for nought??????

10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him,
and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side????????
thou hast blessed the work of his hands,
and his substance is increased in the land.

11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath,
and he will curse thee to thy face.

Now we get to the words of Job
21 And {Job} said,
Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither:
the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away;
blessed be the name of the LORD.

22 In all this Job sinned not,
nor charged God foolishly.

Have you never read?????
~{Matt.25:14}~
For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country,
who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one;
to every man according to his several ability;
and straightway took his journey.

……………………………


24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord,
I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown,
and gathering where thou hast not strawed:

25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth:
lo, there thou hast that is thine.

26 His lord answered and said unto him,
Thou wicked and slothful servant,
thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not,
and gather where I have not strawed:

27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers,
and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

28 Take therefore the talent from him,
and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance:
but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
26 His lord answered and said unto him,
Thou wicked and slothful servant,

In other words
Job knew That he had been Faithful in all things
And God had not done this,
But; for whatever reason, God had removed that
hedge of protection about him,
and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side????????

and Job could not understand, why all the possessions God had placed into his care,
which he had been Faithful with,
had been removed from him

and as Job says

8 Behold, I go forward, but he is not there;
and backward, but I cannot perceive him:

9 On the left hand, where he doth work, but I cannot behold him:
he hideth himself on the right hand, that I cannot see him:

10 But he knoweth the way that I take:
when he hath tried me,
I shall come forth as gold.

11 My foot hath held his steps,
his way have I kept, and not declined.

12 Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips;
I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food.

when he hath tried me,
I shall come forth as gold.

John;
You are in serious need of some diligent study of the Scriptures,
Lest you find yourself “Spewed out of the mouth of God”
you are very close, real close to Blasphemy by
charging God foolishly.

[Little Lamb]

Buzzie! How ya doin'!?

What I like about the book of Job is the beginning and ending. It explains somewhat why we go tnrough what we do.

And the ending tells me God has it all under control, no matter what we believe.

[me again]

Buzzie! How ya doin'!?

What I like about the book of Job is the beginning and ending. It explains somewhat why we go tnrough what we do.

And the ending tells me God has it all under control, no matter what we believe.Hi LL,

Long time, no see. :eek:

Where have you been? :razzle:

[Little Lamb]

Hi me again! I've been at pogo playing games and at TG's cop forum. How ya doin'?

[me again]

I've been doing well. It's a pleasure to see you again. :)

[Little Lamb]

Thank you, me again. It's nice to see you again too. :snicker: Cute and nice new smileys.