The Spirit of God

[Quasar]

Hi guys,

The Scripturs record or infer the fact that God is the Spirit, in Jn.1:18, 4:24; 2 Cor.3:17-18; Col.1"15 and 1 Jn.4:12.

Is there any option to the fact that He is not therefore also the Holy Spirit? He testified way back in Lev.11:44 that He is, among other places.

If God is Spirit, does that not equate into the Father being Spirit also? Or could it be that the Father is nothing more than a title for God? Such as those of us who have sons of our own. Are we not identified as one person, not two, even though we are also fathers?

Since the Scriptures reveal God is literally the Holy Spirit, does that not equate into the fact that He is also therefore the Father of Jesus, as found in Lk.1:35?

What do you think?

Blessings,

Quasar

[Brotherdavid]

Absolutely, the Holy Spirit and the Father are ONE. There is ONE God, and he has ONE Spirit.

[John Oscar]

Hi guys,

The Scripturs record or infer the fact that God is the Spirit, in Jn.1:18, 4:24; 2 Cor.3:17-18; Col.1"15 and 1 Jn.4:12.

Is there any option to the fact that He is not therefore also the Holy Spirit? He testified way back in Lev.11:44 that He is, among other places.

If God is Spirit, does that not equate into the Father being Spirit also? Or could it be that the Father is nothing more than a title for God? Such as those of us who have sons of our own. Are we not identified as one person, not two, even though we are also fathers?

Since the Scriptures reveal God is literally the Holy Spirit, does that not equate into the fact that He is also therefore the Father of Jesus, as found in Lk.1:35?

What do you think?

Blessings,

Quasar

If you are trying to disprove the trinity, then you have to throw out the baptismal formula given by Jesus Himself in Matt 28....otherwise you have to translate it, "Baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Father (who is secretly the Holy Spirit, but we thought we'd just throw you for a loop by confusing the whole situation...hehe)

I guess Jesus does have a sense of humor :smack:

[Brotherdavid]

No John, there is no cofusion here.... no one even mentioned a trinity, or baptismal formula, but if you would like to discuss these issues, we can, but I don't want to be set-up to just be censored or locked out of a discussion.

Just out of curiosity though...according to your theology John, I've never heard of the Father secrectly being the Holy Spirit in the trinity doctrine !! Is this your own theology ?
How can there be a distinction in persons ? So in other words, they both share being the second person now ? they both share being the third person now also ?
This sounds more like binitarianism.

[John Oscar]

Nope, no confusion at all, just horrible spelling and worse theology.

Quasar was dredging up an old argument of his that there is no Holy Spirit in the trinitarian sense of the term/title, and I was answering it.

Your argument lies with him, not me.

[Quasar]

Nope, no confusion at all, just horrible spelling and worse theology.

Quasar was dredging up an old argument of his that there is no Holy Spirit in the trinitarian sense of the term/title, and I was answering it.

Your argument lies with him, not me.


John, The "old argument" will never go away! As for the allegations to "horrible spelling and worse theology," I fail to see a shred of support for either!

The so called argument does not lie with me, but rather, to all those who blindly hold to Scriptural alterations and inserts, such as Mt.28:19 and 1 Jn.5:7, vs how Scripturally obvious it is.

The primary fact is that God is Spirit, the Father is Spirit, and obviously the Holy Spirit, is Spirit. According to the Scriptures, the above "three" Spirits are in reality, only one Spirit.

As previously pointed out: The Scriptures record or infer the fact that God is Spirit, in Jn.1:18, 4:24; 2 Cor.3:17-18; Col.1:15 and 1 Jn.4:12. Nor is there any option to the fact that He is Holy, by His own testimony in Lev.11:44-45 as well as in 1 Pet.1:15-16.

With the Scriptural authentication that God is the Holy Spirit, there is therefore no option to the Scriptural fact that God, the Holy Spirit, is also the Father of Jesus, as He testified Himself in Ps.2:7, when the prophecy was fulfilled in Mt.1:20 and in Lk.1:35.

It is obvious, the term "Father" is nothing more than one of a number of titles for God, in the very same way all of us with Children are also fathers. But also clearly reveals God, the Holy Spirit and the Father, are but one person, in the very same way all of us fathers are! It does not make us "two persons!"

Therefore, God, who is the Holy Spirit as well as the Father, can only be one "person" according to the Scriptures, not two! Which clearly reveals the fraudulant tweeking of Mt.28:19 to suit a theology the perpetrators wanted to make sure was adhered to at the time. To say nothing of 1 Jn.5:7 which does not appear in any of the more reliable mss.

The next point about Mt.28:19, is the alteration of the apostolic baptismal procedure, into the one body of Christ, as Scriptural guidelines clearly point out in Rom.6:3 and 1 Cor.12:12-13 and Acts 2:38, into being baptized into a triune God, "the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," which is an anomaly to Scriptural facts.

According to the prophecy by John the Baptist, Jesus would baptise with the Holy Spirit and with fire, in Mt.3:11, which He does immediately after we receive Him as our Lord and Savior. As seen in Jn.20:21-22, 1 Jn.3:24 and 1 Jn.4:13 and fulfilled at Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit arrived, from Jesus. Not another "person," but rather the Holy Spirit, Jesus received from the Father when He was incarnated, in Lk.1:35, The Father sent [Jn.15:26], after Jesus ascended into heaven, and was the reason why the "Comforter" could not come until Jesus left, because it was His Spirit, in Jn.16:7.

Though there is much more, that addresses the issue and is sufficient for now.

Blessingts,

Quasar