Lion Attacks Female Bicyclist

[me again]

A bike rider was attacked by a mountain lion as she rode through a popular Orange County wilderness park Thursday, and the body of a man, who may have been killed by the same animal, was found nearby.To read the rest of the story, click here (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2026&e=2&u=/latimes_ts/lionattacksocbikermanfounddeadnearby).

[Admiral_D]

Does anyone remember the cougar attacks in Colorado? It was written up in the Reader's Digest last summer....


There are more and more of these attacks, and the mountain lions are not reacting as they have in the past....According to RD, thier behavior has puzzeled some of the experts who says that mountain lions are timid of humans....Taint so, folks....:eek:

[me again]

It reminded me of a scripture that says something about the animals in the last days "attacking humans" -- Don't quote me on that though because I can't find the scripture.

[Ron Lambert]

Ed, were you thinking of Scriptures like the following?

"For thus says the Lord God, 'How much more when I send My four severe judgments against Jerusalem: sword, famine, wild beasts, and plague to cut off man and beast from it!'" (Ezekiel 14:21; NASB)

"And as for you, son of man, thus says the Lord God, 'Speak to every kind of bird and to every beast of the field, Assemble and come, gather from every side to My sacrifice which I am going to sacrifice for you, as a great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel, that you may eat flesh and drink blood. You shall eat the flesh of mighty men, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, as though they were rams, lambs, goats, and bulls, all of them fatlings of Bashan." (Ezekiel 39:17, 18; NASB)

"And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, "Come, assemble for the great supper of God; in order that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great." (Revelation 19:17, 18; NASB)

"And I looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death; and Hades was following with him. And authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth." (Revelation 6:8; NASB)

Note the last statement refers to one of the horsemen that rides forth over the earth when the fourth seal is opened. It implies that one-fourth of the population of the earth will be killed. While the Bubonic plague devasted Europe about 600 years ago, which may have killed one-fourth of the population at least of Europe, history records no great attack by wild beasts coming at the same time. Thus this suggests that the primary fulfillment of the seven seals prophecy of Revelation is yet future.

That's all the passages about beasts attacking humans I could find. Can anybody else find any others?

[Ron Lambert]

Oh, and here's another thought. Maybe the mountain lion and cougars referred to as attacking humans recently were afflicted with mad cow disease. We know that humans and sheep can get it from the same prion-contaminated meat. And an affliction that seems disturbingly similar has been observed in wild elk in the U.S., especially in Colorado. And mountain lions/cougars prey on elk.

[me again]

Originally posted by Ron Lambert
Oh, and here's another thought. Maybe the mountain lion and cougars referred to as attacking humans recently were afflicted with mad cow disease. We know that humans and sheep can get it from the same prion-contaminated meat. And an affliction that seems disturbingly similar has been observed in wild elk in the U.S., especially in Colorado. And mountain lions/cougars prey on elk. I do not think that this is the case.

:idea: However, if it is the case, then it is extremely disturbing and sounds like a plague of biblical proportions because of the way it can theoritically spread itself in the wild and, subsequently, into the human population. :eek:

[Ron Lambert]

They killed the mountain lion, after a helicopter pilot spotted it stalking two sheriff's deputies who were about to be attacked. Warned, they were ready and shot it.

Here's the link to the article on CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/01/09/mountain.lion/index.html

Here is the photo:

[me again]

Posted by Ron Lambert
They killed the mountain lion, after a helicopter pilot spotted it stalking two sheriff's deputies who were about to be attacked. Warned, they were ready and shot it. Whoa, that is absolutely incredable!!! :nervous:

[Doma]

I am keeping a prophetic eye on this story.

[Eurogal]

In order to keep our imagination in check and weigh up the attacks and fatalities for the last hundred years in proportion to population of Lions to humans in the same living enviroment, lets look at what I just read...

"Doug Updike, a biologist with the state Fish and Game Department, estimates there are between 4,000 and 6,000 adult lions roaming the Golden State, with usually five to seven mountain lions per 100 square miles. State law prohibits hunting or killing them. There have been 13 mountain lion attacks on humans in California over the past 114 years, five of them fatal."

In a period of 114 years were only 13 attacks.
Only 5 of them led to death of a human.

Would anyone like to give the statistics of death on the highway from using cars these last 114 years?

Eurogal

[Little Lamb]

Good point Egal. Yes, it is a shame for anyone to get killed in any way, but what about drivers getting killed by drunk drivers? The Drunk person lives while the sober ones die.

I bet when the drunk person sobers up and realizes what they've done, they feel pretty bad.

me again, your a cop. :yikes: It's the police! :yikes:

I'm sure you've dealt with drunks before. What was their reaction after they sobered up and found out they killed someone?

[me again]

Lamb Chop,

That's an interesting question. It has been my experience that when a human kills another human (in a non-wartime scenario), demon possession or oppression is usually involved. But that's just my opinion and I could not prove it empirically. It is purely an anecdotal observation, or opinion at best.

[Little Lamb]

I'm going to pm you about something when I get the time.

[Doma]

meagain, u r a police officer?

[me again]

Posted by Doma
meagain, u r a police officer? Yes :gas: < sheepish grin >

But it doesn't make me a bad person!!! :no: :doh:

[Doma]

I don't know many christian police. I knew of one or possibly 2 others. They weren't very mature spiritually tho when I knew them, but were working on it.

I am glad to know another one. I bet it is VERY difficult doing your job as a christian.

[Eurogal]

"I bet it is VERY difficult doing your job as a christian."

Perhaps we forget that the LEO's are the backbone of our community. They do the work for us humans that happens in the animal world with scavengers. Taking care of decaying organic refuse. The clean-up guys. Enforcing laws which are a continuum of health for society. Imposing regulations as they do is very much a Christian trait. The H.Spirit has filled us believers to obey the rules of God's law.
When we don't -we sin.

Cops' purpose have in general an ethical, moral function for the society.
In comparision, our religious beliefs when enforced in our private lives act very similiar in function. So being a Christian gives a stronger feel for righteousness, imo, if the policeman is connected to the Vine properly.
A Christian policeman should then be more consequent without wavering.

The weak point is using deception/lies/fraud to lure a criminal to the trap to get caught or when in interrogation to get him to confess. This practiced professional necessary-habit might flavor the Christian character of the LEO eventually and the line of honesty gets mixed even in dealing with non-criminals. (theory...not at all accusation, please)

Eurogal
P.s. where did the word 'cops' come from?

[me again]

Doma,

Just because someone is an officer doesn't mean he is more or less spiritual. Neither does it mean that he is saved or unsaved. However, it does mean that he is in a special position that is appointed by God. Check out Romans chapter 13 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=romans+13&AMP_version=yes&language=english&x=12&y=10)!!! :cool:Romans 13:1-6, Amplified Bible
Let every person be loyally subject to the governing (civil) authorities. For there is no authority except from God [by His permission, His sanction], and those that exist do so by God's appointment.

Therefore he who resists and sets himself up against the authorities resists what God has appointed and arranged [in divine order]. And those who resist will bring down judgment upon themselves [receiving the penalty due them].

For civil authorities are not a terror to [people of] good conduct, but to [those of] bad behavior. Would you have no dread of him who is in authority? Then do what is right and you will receive his approval and commendation.

For he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, [you should dread him and] be afraid, for he does not bear and wear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant to execute His wrath (punishment, vengeance) on the wrongdoer.

Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God's wrath and escape punishment, but also as a matter of principle and for the sake of conscience.

For this same reason you pay taxes, for [the civil authorities] are official servants under God, devoting themselves to attending to this very service.Eurogal,

There are several theories about where the term "cop" came from. Here are two: In the early days of American law enforcement, some officers wore badges that were made out of copper. As a form of slang, people began to call the officers "coppers" and it was eventually shortened to the word "cop."

In the early days of American law enforcement, many cities had "constibles on patrol" and you will readily see that it fits nicely into the acronym "cop." ;)There are other theories too.

[Ron Lambert]

I respect Me Again for doing the work he does. This isn't the 1960's, when fools taunted the police and called them "pigs." I think pretty much the whole community honors police today. We realize it is primarily them standing between us and the barbarians, keeping civilization civilized. Especially now, when there are terrorists around who would do anything to hurt people they don't even know.

I sympathize too, with what police have to cope with. They routinely see the seamy side of life. When marriages are falling apart, and arguments deteriorate into violence, it is the police who have to come and sort things out, and deal with the terrified, horrified children who frequently are cowering nearby. When drug addicts are driven to acts of extreme desperation, and are past the point where they can be reasoned with or even threatened, police are the ones who have to figure out what to do to bring the situation back under control, and save the lives of hostages if any are involved.

When there are accidents on the highway, guess who cleans up the body parts and blood and feces, so John Q. Public and his family are not confronted by the horrifying sight.

I guess doctors and nurses in emergency rooms face similar things, but normally they rotate that duty, so no one has to spend more than six months in what amounts to an urban M.A.S.H. unit. But police officers are on the front lines all the time, every day of their careers, and whatever happens that must be dealt with, they are the ones who deal with it.

I imagine most of us, if we heard police officers talking in private, might be put off by the kind of language they use and the type of jokes they tell. My wife is a nurse in Intensive Care, and I can testify that "nurse humor" can be astonishingly gross, frank, and explicit. But there is a reason for it. Because of the things they have to deal with on a routine basis, their humor has to help them cope with it, and it may not always sound kosher to the rest of us. But life is not Kosher.

If the policeman who stops you for speeding seems a little over-the-top surly and scolding in his manner, consider that perhaps he just had to clean up hamburger off the street that used to be a little girl.

Not all police are good people. The profession can attract the bully type of personality, too. But still we must respect their office. Personally, if I am stopped by a police officer for any reason, my policy is to cooperate meekly, and not make his job any more difficult than it already is. Even if he is abusive, I do not think it is wise to mouth off at someone carrying a gun, especially if he has already demonstrated a bad disposition.

If you show the least bit of indignation when the police officer is writing you a ticket, that five-over citation he was about to give you gets bumped up to the actual amount you were exceeding the speed limit by. Most police won't stop you unless you are going at least 10 mph above the speed limit, and even if you are going 15 over, they will still usually just write you up for going five over the limit, as long as you do not show any anger or indignation or defiance, that makes them feel like you are challenging their authority. Indulgence in pride here could cost you a hundred dollars extra, or more. Not just from the fine, but from the increase in your insurance costs because you've gotten points on your record. Ask yourself if it is worth it.

I know this. If I ever have to deal with a cop in any capacity, I would be glad for him to be a Christian. Even if he is having a bad day.

[Eurogal]

Ron, what you just posted was so beautifully written. Such a spirit of love as a Christian can have was in the tone of the whole message. The chapter of Rom. 13 that M.A. incorporated to include policeman was a new slant for me in reading it. I do believe it is aptly applied for LEO's and not just for Kings or Presidents. What you wrote fits very nicely to Romans 13.

Now I am pleased to make sense of the word 'cop' when I see it. :laugh:
Thanks for helping me out, Mr. Constable on Patrol wearing Copper Badge. :crackup:

Electronic Girl
(alias Eurogal in disguise)

[Doma]

quote:

Just because someone is an officer doesn't mean he is more or less spiritual.

reply:

I just knew my previous post would have people think that I believed that. No, I do not. It just happens these folk 1 or 2 I knew were new in christianity and were policemen. I am not connectiong maturity with the job.

And yes I knew about Rom 13.

So is it difficult to be a policeman and an active christian?

[Ron Lambert]

Doma, it is difficult to be a sinful human and be an active Christian.

[Doma]

so true, it's hard for us all isn't it. He is coming soon, look up!

[Little Lamb]

It is fascinating to me that me again is a Christian and a cop and just seems to be a regular type of guy. :)

[Eurogal]

:eek: What's with you Americans having presumtions about policemen?

:confused: Why get prejudiced that being part of military rank, police force rank, law-enforcement agencies like detectives or FBI, DEA, CIA, etc. means that they are corrupt for selfish reasons or their power corrupts their sense of rightness?

All forget that behind the uniform is a trained for the job person.
In our medical institute work medical personal who are just as them, trained for the job persons. However, the public have this presumption that medical people are angels of mercy without human foibles. They deny the presumption of any in the medical staff being corrupt with using their power of postition. The public also just won't have the truth to swallow that quite a number of the medical's are typsy in alcohol in service making their decisions dangerous for others. Many have no idea how unethical some can be in medicine because it is often hushed-hushed.

So why think the USA cops are exceptional in some way?

[Little Lamb]

Egal,

Good question. There are doctors and lawyers that are no good. me again says he's a good cop and I believe him.

You're going to get bad people in every profession.

[Eurogal]

Lamby, you got the point. Thanks. There are in every profession people who corrupt the public image of the job they are in.

Look at how the embezelment or sex scandals have rocked the boat of religious institutions. No place is safe from people being able to resist temptation when they are not fundamentally convinced in their mind what is right and wrong and have the spiritual fortitude to resist wrong consequently.

Remember how we are taught from bible inspiration avoid all appearances of evil? The network of human interacting makes some jobs very tricky to keep this command upright in a Christian's life. There may be women who are born-again Christians working as patrole officers. They are asked to do prostitute stool pigeon jobs which is risky and gives an appearance of evil.

However, God has given us the provision of being reconciled to him through the blood of the Word who died for us. We are made holy for service when washed with the Word daily. Remember how the priests working in the OT Sanctuary in the desert would have to wash their feet and hands at the laver before going into the holy place for service? I see that in analogy as washing our souls from interaction with the world by bible reading. Then we go into prayer service. A Constable Christian needs daily washing with the Word of God because of his close contact with evil forces working through the people he has to deal with.

Daily Bible Reading is a MUST for Christians working very close with human population. Daily prayer service for self and others is a MUST in order to be equipt with the armor of God to battle rightly.

Eurogal

(By the way...M.A. never boasted he was a good cop on this forum or any other forum. He just simply said he was not a bad cop.)

[Little Lamb]

Egal says:
(By the way...M.A. never boasted he was a good cop on this forum or any other forum. He just simply said he was not a bad cop.)
This is very true Egal, I've been different boards with me again, and he has never ever boasted about him being a cop. I'm sure he does his job to the best of his ability, along with the Lord's help.

[Eurogal]

Hey there Ron, :)

Shall we have a bit of semantic go around?

You threw out to Doma the line "...it is difficult to be a sinful human and be an active Christian."

IMO, I claim that for anyone to be a sinful human and at the same time actively being a Christian (in the true genuine sense of the word) a real oxymoron.

Sinful : = Wicked ; committing unrighteous acts ; morally bad in principle or practice ; objectionable behavior by unjust acts

Christian : One adhering to command of Christ to go and sin no more ; bearing the qualities and spirit of Jesus Christ ; living out the principles of what Christ commanded ; having the testimony of Jesus

Willfully practicing sin is not part of the new-born again creature of God in the person who is filled with the Spirit of God.

Eurogal

[Ron Lambert]

Paul in Romans 7 presents the struggle of the Christian life. Martin Luther expressed it in his famous saying. simil justi epecatore--similtaneously righteous and sinful.